Hello all loyal readers! Its been quite some time since we’ve posted here, me especially. I have been quite busy for a long time, but fortunately, I’ve got something to post tonight that I’m quite proud of; the Philosophy paper I took the polls in the last.fm forum to write.

Since I already wrote an article on the topic of “Satan” and “Evil”, this Debunking Christianity serves more as an extension of that article than a new topic. Sadly, I did not get a chance to address Satanism due to time constraints and a stolen laptop.

For those who didn’t see the last.fm poll the assignment was this:
The class split into “forum” groups, which each chose a topic and took a pro or con side. Then, using a philosopher we studied in class (Oops, it appears I didn’t; Nietzsche was surprisingly not discussed. Didn’t effect my grade though), support your side of the debate. Then present it orally and open discussion to the whole class. Unfortunately due to time constraints, my forum got no discussion. I didn’t even get to finish my talk… But oh well; here’s the paper, in MLA format with sources cited and referenced for your researching pleasure. Perhaps there will be more opinion and discussion here or on the last.fm boards.

Enjoy!
–Anath

The Ignorance of “Evil”
Some Misconceptions of Western Thought

“There is some soul of goodness in things evil,
would men observingly distill it out.”
–William Shakespeare, Henry V, Act IV, Scene 1

The concept of “Evil” shall be presented throughout this paper as a culmination of several common and popular definitions in Western Society today, fusing several together to create a definition broad enough to cover a “standard” view and transcend small exceptions, but focused enough to be comprehensive. In the week preceding the first keystroke, the author posted a notice on two Internet sites fellow members to post what they felt modern Western Society valued as “Good” and “Evil” (“Anath”). The responses were varied but followed a few common themes. “Good” was most commonly defined as “Christianity/Monotheism,” “virtuousness,” “selflessness,” “obedience,” “martyrdom,” and “respect,” while “evil” was most commonly defined as “Paganism/Satanism/Atheism/Anything Non-Christian,” “war/violence,” “sexual deviance,” “Pro-Choice,” “nonconformists,” “oppression/dictatorship”, “ritualistic human sacrifice,” and “People Like Hitler”. The “Evil” side of the spectrum received more responses than the “Good” side, and less common responses included many things such as “feminism”, “pollution”, “fascism”, “artists”, and “non-popular culture.” Interestingly, Capitalism and Communism appeared as both “Good” and “Evil”. However, for the purposes of this work, we shall not be labeling or addressing systems of government.

A large portion of the survey results seem to follow suit with Nietzsche’s definition of “evil” in Beyond Good and Evil: “… fear is again the mother of morals. The highest and strongest drives, when they break out passionately and drive the individual far above the average and the flats of the herd conscience, wreck the self-confidence of the community, its faith in itself, and it is as if its spine snapped. Hence just these drives are branded and slandered most. High and independent spirituality, the will to stand alone, even a powerful reason are experienced as dangers; everything that elevates an individual above the herd and intimidates the neighbor is henceforth called evil: and the fair, modest, submissive, conforming mentality, the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors.” (Nietzsche 113-114) This is exemplified where “obedience”, “selflessness”, and “respect” are labeled as “good” while “violence,” “Anything Non-Christian,” and “nonconformists” are labeled “evil”.

Plato also argued that evil was ignorance and good is that which everyone desires (Wikipedia). Where the common religion was defined as “Good”, and other religions or belief systems as “Evil”, this definition holds true. An opposing belief system would be defined as “ignorance of the truth”, and generally displease those who deem it “Evil”. This definitions also agrees with the examples from the previous paragraph, since “everyone” would generally “want” respect and selflessness from their fellow man, and determine violence and true nonconformity to be ignorant and be displeased by the expression of either from their fellow man.

Thereby, the working definition of “evil” shall be an amalgamation of both definitions. The drives and values Nietzsche singled out are labeled as “Evil” by society for the reasons of Plato. It is the generalizations and misconceptions held by society as a whole that will be analyzed here; that ignorance creates its own “Evil” where there was none before, propagating misconceptions that taint even that considered “Good”. Of all examples, none is more striking than that of religion and mythology.

In a primarily Judeo-Christian, monotheistic society, the largest “evil” is allotted to legends, beings, and humans who do not follow the widely accepted doctrine of the single deity. A certain amount of variations on a theme is accepted, but definitive lines are drawn when it comes to Atheism, Agnosticism, Satanism, or Polytheism, most specifically the deities perceived as “evil” within polytheistic pantheons and the “Satan” of Christianity. Lines are also drawn around actions that do not adhere to the Judeo-Christian codes of ethics, including but not limited to ritual human sacrifice, strong individualistic mentalities, ambition for personal gain, violence, and sexual deviance; including premarital sex, porn, homosexuality, S+M (Sadism and Masochism), and more. Most of these examples fall into Nietzsche’s definition.

Surprisingly, development of the commonly accepted concept of “true Evil” evolved only with the rise of monotheism. Ancient polytheistic religions had deities of chaos, war, death, and the underworld, but these deities were not “Evil”. Instead, “Order” (Law) and “Chaos” are prevalent in their pantheons. However, “Law” and “Chaos” are not equivalent to “Good” and “Evil”. (Wikipedia) Instead, the domains of “Law” and “Chaos” operate within their own spectrum, more closely resembling Rousseau’s “Social Contract” and “State of Nature”. This fact became largely distorted over the time during monotheism’s rise, when the conquering belief system attempted to juxtapose its new dogma over the existing belief systems’, regardless of compatibility.

Many of the figures and stories that are perceived to be “Evil” represented nature, particularly dangerous and chaotic natural phenomena, or describe natural cycles. As a prime example, the Egyptian deity Seth, or Set, was the lord of storms and chaos. He was portrayed as a wild and powerful figure; the very embodiment of his domain. Unlike the flawless god of monotheism, deities in polytheism behaved in a very human fashion, and possessed strengths and weaknesses. In the case of Set, he was jealous of his brother Osiris, the a deity of vegetation and agriculture, who was his mother’s favorite. Set murdered Osiris, who became the first mummy at the hands of the “Lord of the Mummy Wrappings”—Anubis—and was afterward resurrected by his mother with embalming fluid. (Cotterell and Storm 307) To the Egyptians, the Set-Osiris resurrection story was symbolic of the agricultural cycle, not the “struggle between good and evil”. Despite modern opinion, Set did not “embody evil”, and, though Osiris was generally looked upon as a virtuous god, he did not “embody good”.

The resurrection of the Phoenician deity of rain and fertility, Ba’al, after being slain by Mot, the deity of death, drought, and infertility is another representation of the agricultural cycle. Despite the dark depiction of most death gods today, Mot was not “evil”. Neither are Hades from Greek mythology, Anubis of the Egyptians, Ereshkigal and Nergal of the Akkadians and Babylonians, Hel of the Norse, or Balor of the Celts. With the prevalence of Christianity, underworld and death took on negative connotations and the celebration of either was neglected. “Between us and the underworld stands the figure of Christ as he was presented by the early church fathers. ‘But it was for this purpose, say they, that Christ descended into hell, that we ourselves might not have to descend thither’… Christ’s mission to the underworld was to annul it through his resurrected victory over death.” (Hillman 85) As a result, “our culture is singular for its ignorance of death. The great art and celebrations of many other cultures—ancient Egyptians and Etruscan, the Greek of Eleusis, Tibetian—honor the underworld.” (Hillman 64) Instead of their proper place in the halls of mythology, death and underworld gods often find themselves cast in the role of shady, crooked villain. For example, in the Disney portrayal of Hercules, Hades appears as the Greek equivalent of Satan—an evil, conniving, greedy, smooth-talking, ambitious character whose ultimate goal is foiling the hero or “good” deities. Even his appearance reflected preconceptions about what “Evil” should look like visually, and his henchmen appeared as cartoon versions of demons from Christian myths. While artistic license and freedom of interpretation should be acknowledged, it should also be equally acknowledged that in modern society pop culture shapes the opinion of the herd, and Disney is undeniably an icon of pop culture. Pop culture has become another vessel of Nietzsche’s definition, as well as the pinnacle of ignorance for anything-not-pop-culture; such as ancient cultures and history.

In Greek mythology, Hades was not greedy or ambitious, or interested in “opposing the forces of good”. He actually aided Hercules in his labor to capture Cerberus, the three headed guard dog of the underworld. Hades “was referred to as ‘the unseen one’, more often as Pluto (‘Wealthy’, ‘Riches’) or as Trophonios (‘Nourishing’). These disguises of Hades have been taken to be covering euphemisms for the fear of death, but… perhaps Pluto is a description of Hades…refer(ring) to the hidden wealth or riches of the invisible. Hence we can understand why there was no cult and no sacrifice to him—Hades was the wealthy one, the giver of nourishment to the soul.” (Hillman 28) If Hades was in truth really the ‘wealthy one’, or one who ‘nourishes’, despite the human downfalls all polytheistic deities possess, how could he logically be inserted into the role of the Christian Satan but through a history of damning the underworld, perverting the ancient connotations of death and death gods, and equating ancient underworlds with the concept of “hell”. Children growing up in society today generally do not remember Hades the god as he was in classic mythology, but rather as the Greek equivalent of the Christian Satan, the evil one, the foil of Zeus and heroes, and Hades the underworld as the Greek equivalent of the Christian Hell; neither of which is accurate. On this point, it is ignorance that creates its own evil where there was none before, and the other death gods suffer a similar fate.

The realm of the underworld itself has also been tainted. Classically, “the underworld” was simply the place a soul would go upon death. The Hebrew Sheol, the Mayan Xibalba, the Greek Hades, the Egyptian underworld, or the Mesopotamian underworld beneath the waters of Apsu contained no 9-layered pits of increasing torment or tortured souls of the damned, and were not “evil”, or “for evil souls”. In some cultures, it was actually an aspiration to reach the underworld. In Egypt, there was a fear that the earth god Geb might accidentally trap the soul and prevent them from entering the underworld, which for them was directly beneath the ground. The Hebrew Sheol was simply the common grave of all who died, whether great king or heinous sinner, similar to the Greek Hades. While the Hebrews also had Gehenna, a fiery purgatory for the purification of sinners, Gehenna was not equivalent to Christian Hell and separate from Sheol. When the Bible was translated through Greek, Latin, and finally to English, Sheol, Gehenna, and Hades slowly became synonyms of “Hell”. Since Hell was generally portrayed beneath the earth, underworlds physically beneath the earth became bastardized and assimilated into the increasingly Christian worldview. For example, the Norse Nifelheim, also known as Nifelhel or Hel—from which the Christian Hell derives its name—was initially an underworld for inglorious dead; those who had died through sickness, old age, or those whose death’s were generally not heroic. Though similar to the Christian Hell in that its inhabitants were rather discomforted, inhabitants of Nifelheim were not being actively tormented and were not there because of any “evil” during life. The requirements to get into Valhalla, Odin’s eternal mead hall and the realm of the glorious dead, or Nifelheim were based on the situation of one’s death, glorious or inglorious, not the way the dead soul lived his or her life. (Cotterell and Storm 200) Therefore, a scandalous sinner who died with shield in hand and the blood of enemies upon his sword would be escorted by Valkyries to the eternal feast, while the virtuous saint who breathed his last on a comfortable bed, old and sickly would descend to Nifelheim, never tasting Odin’s sweet mead. Yet again, ignorance creates “evil”.

Following with the death theme, another item labeled as “evil” was that of ritual human sacrifice. Though shunned as an abomination in today’s society, in past cultures it was seen quite differently, crossing into martyrdom, which is perceived today as “good”. The lone man sacrificing himself for the greater good of his nation, the epic champion of legend who takes on great burdens for those he cares about, the quiet monk who gives up a worldly life to study, teach about, and contemplate his deity; all popular, romanticized views of heroes, yet all could be equated to the original goal of ritual human sacrifice. The most widely known culture who practiced ritual human sacrifice was the Mayans of Mesoamerica. “The whole of Mayan civilization was geared to maintaining moderation and balance, even to balancing the gift of life itself. All life was seen to be the gift and granting of the gods, therefore it was necessary to give them life in return to balance the equation. Blood was believed to be the embodiment of life itself and thus an appropriate gift… an individual balanced his own life through bloodletting and the community balanced its life through ritual human sacrifice. Something small could represent something large in the great scheme of things… the release of an individual’s blood through sacrifice could represent the blood of the whole community. …The Maya sacrifices were not always unwilling by any means. The Mayans called them a sacrifice; we call them heroes.” (Bonewitz 104) Many of the saints and other virtuous figures gave their lives figuratively for the good of others. The perceived effects of both sacrifices are the same, it is only the method that differs, and one is determined “Evil” because it is misunderstood and ruled against in monotheistic doctrine. The Israelites practiced ritual human sacrifice in ancient times. Infants were consecrated to the Mesopotamian deity Moloch by being cast into flames. The practice was eventually outlawed by King Josiah (Tanakh, 2 Kings 23:10) and as seen in Leviticus (Tanakh, Leviticus 18:21). Though the purposes of Mayan sacrifices and sacrifices to Moloch were different, it is not the purpose of the sacrifice that is seen, but rather the simple fact that a human is being sacrificed, and this is deemed inherently “Evil.”

However, the most important concept perverted into a common misconception of “Evil” is that of the being known as “Satan” and the belief system that derives from the name; Satanism. Popular forms of the being “Satan” are either several pagan deities cut-and-pasted together, manifestations of sacred creatures from other religions, horrific descriptions to immediately depict “the evil inside”, or that of a formerly beautiful fallen angel. (Morgan 46-53) Most of the old descriptions were conceived for conversion purposes and to discredit Paganism. The most prevalent description of the creature is that of the fallen angel, sometimes called “Lucifer.”

First of all, the name “Lucifer” itself is glaringly inaccurate for a number of reasons. If one is to presume the “fallen angel Lucifer” story is the true story of the Judeo-Christian “Satan”, the angel would have been named “Lucifer” in the Bible, most specifically in the Old Testament, or Tanakh, when the story allegedly took place. However, Lucifer is a Latin word, and the Bible was originally written in Hebrew. It is impossible for “Lucifer” to be the real name of “Satan” for this fact alone, however some supporters of the story cite a Bible verse to support their story. This verse is Isaiah 14:12, which reads:

“How are you fallen from heaven,

O Shining One, Son of Dawn!

How you are felled to earth,

O vanquisher of nations!” (Tanakh, Isaiah 14:12)
In some English translations, the verse does read “Lucifer” in place of “O Shining One”. In Hebrew, this phrase is “Halel ben Shachar” and “Halel” specifically designates “morning star”. (New Advent) When the Bible was translated into Latin during the 4th century, the literal “morning star”, which we know as the planet Venus, was commonly known as “Lucifer”; Light-Bringer. The translator was literally correct in his translation, and the intention was not to create or propagate a myth or story. Despite this, when used as evidence for the fallen angel Lucifer, the verse Isaiah 14:12 is grossly taken out of context. Isaiah 14 as a whole describes the fall of the King of Babylon, and the “Shining One” in 14:12 is the king himself—Nebuchadnezzar II. Also, Isaiah is a book of prophecy, not of myths and legends. Soon after the printing of the King James Version of the bible, which carried the translation of Isaiah 14:12 into English, Milton’s poem Paradise Lost hit the press, immortalizing the fallen angel “Lucifer” in the public eye. One must remember Nietzsche here; it is the herd, the public eye, that drives morality and the definition of “Evil”.

It is also questionable whether or not the traditional biblical “satan” is even the popular “Satan” at all. The word “satan” appears just once in the Tanakh, in the Book of Job. Here, it refers to an angel on good terms with God, wandering the earth, minding his own business, and combines his efforts with God to test Job. The word “satan” means “adversary, one who obstructs”, and this term in traditional Hebrew described an adversarial role, more specifically in a court of law, rather than a specific character. When Hebrew storytellers introduced a character called “satan”, they simply meant one of God’s angels intended specifically to obstruct human activity. (Online Etymology Dictionary) So, in its traditional sense, “satan” isn’t “Evil” at all, and certainly isn’t a fallen angel. Also, the presence of “Satan” as an angel on good terms with God in Job presents another glaring contradiction with the fallen angel story. According to Christian mythos, “Satan” fell in or around Genesis, either after he tempted Adam and Eve with the apple or before the creation of man. If “Satan” was burning in hell and with legions of demons opposing God around Genesis, why would he approach God on good terms several hundred years later, then go right back to tormenting sinners and hating God? This assumes, of course, “Satan” was actually the snake in the garden, and that he is a contradicting force to God and “Evil” by nature.

The first five books of Moses are commonly known as the Pentateuch. Current editions of the Pentateuch and Haftorahs feature rabbinical commentary clarifying and explaining the meaning of the text. According to the notes in the Pentateuch, “the serpent in its original state had the power of speech, and its intellectual powers exceeded those of all other animals, and it was the envy of man that made its plot his downfall.” (emphasis added) (Pentateuch and Haftorahs 10) So, according to the tradition of the very people who penned the story, the serpent was merely an animal. Rabbinical commentary isn’t the only source that allots provides an alternative myth of the serpent. There is also a tradition where the true first woman, Lilith, appears to Adam’s second wife, Eve, disguised as a wily serpent. Legend goes that Lilith was created alongside Adam as his equal, and left him when she was expected to submit herself to him. She wandered the desert, consorted with demons, plotted against Adam and Eve, and later began to kill babies when God rendered her infertile. (Cotterell and Storm 296) In the Islamic tale of paradise, Iblis (Satan) has already left the scene by the time man fell from grace. So who or what actually was the serpent? The common misconception of “Satan” has less than a one-in-four chance. Also, the fall of Iblis in the Holy Qur’an does not involve tempting mortals at all, but rather, refusing to submit to them. Seven accounts of the story within the book agree that Allah demanded his angels to “’Bow down to Adam.’ And they bowed down: Not so Iblis: He refused and was haughty: He was one of those to reject the faith.” (Qur’an) In effect, the popular conception of the very embodiment of “evil” is a self-contradicting conglomerate of folk stories and subjective interpretation. If the very figurehead of “Evil” can’t agree on itself, and other previously neutral or positive deities and traditions are perverted and forced into a mold of “Good versus Evil”, how can “Evil” be anything but the deformed spawn of an ignorant herd?
Bibliography

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    Hillman, James. The Dream and the Underworld. New York: Harper & Row, 1979.

    The Holy Qur-An. Al-Madinah Al Munawarah: The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Qur-An, 1936.

    “Lucifer.” New Advent. 1 Dec. 2007 <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09410a.htm>.

    Morgan, Genevieve, and Tom Morgan. The Devil. San Francisco: Chronicle Books, 1996. 46-53.

    Pentateuch and Haftorahs. 2nd ed. Brooklyn, NY: The Soncino P, 1960.

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17 Responses to “Debunking Christianity 2.5 – The Ignorance of Evil”
  1. Db0 says:

    Amazing post Anath. Well done and I’m glad you chose to host it here :)

    Do you mind if I submit it to the Carnival of the Godless?

  2. Anath says:

    Not at all. :D

  3. Waldheri says:

    Very good text indeed, although I have one comment. It’s good to stop and discuss the very embodiment of “evil” today (Satan), but I think you’ve overdone it a bit. Although I’m sure you’ve done your research correctly, I think it’s very hard to find evidence for anything other than the grand play of contradictions in “holy” texts. It seems a bit hypocritical to discredit modern religious opinion by going back in time some thousand years and try to explain what was actually meant in the original Hebrew language. Of course a religion (and thus the notion of “evil”) changes with time and change in language. I think it might have been enough to discuss the idea that the existence of “evil” is a fairly new – that it hadn’t existed before in older religions. Satan is merely an example of it.

  4. Anath says:

    So you would propose hacking at modern branches rather than an ancient root?

  5. SpHaeR says:

    No, that is not what I mean. To me, you had already made and defended your point admirably before you started to discuss satan. Although the paragraphs on Satan seem well researched, they were very much more detailed than the rest of the text. It’s all very interesting, but it felt kind of an appendix to me. Hacking at the ancient root is better, but in the scope of this article I think it wasn’t necessary.

  6. charlie c says:

    I have a question for you. If you don’t believe in God, why are you so worried if other people are? Why aren’t you bashing Muslims? Are you afraid they’ll cut your thoat if they find out who you are and the Chrisitans will pray for you. Don’t know who you are, just feel sorry for you. What do you believe in? Yourself and your rational of good and evil. If there is no God and no Devil, is there a right and a wrong?

    Jesus is the most famous person that ever lived. The most wrote about, the most sung about, the most celebrated and the most hated. There is a reason for this, he is the Son of God. I hope and pray that you think about your thinking on this. I know how you feel, I once felt the same way. You can doubt all you want but I personally know what God has done for me. I hope he does the same for you.

  7. Anath says:

    SpHaeR, sorry for the late reply, I forgot about it entirely until “charlie c” came along. :P
    After a few months away from the essay, I see what you mean. I can tell you, writing it, I really had the agenda of putting that whole topic in, as it is something you know I have studied intently and wanted to include in an essay on “evil”. When I got to that part, though, I think I really just lost the momentum of the essay and launched into last.fm-christian-debating-time mode, which is very different than the style earlier in the text. But hey, what’s done is done, and I agree that you are quite correct.

    Now for “charlie c”:
    If this is directed at me, the author, I will respond in kind. I like writing responses but I don’t want to waste my time on something not directed at me. :)
    Numbered for ease of reading and potential cohesive reply.

    1. Who said I don’t believe in God? Does it say so anywhere in this essay or in anything else I have written? Please do not put words in my mouth.

    2. I don’t care whether other people believe in God, just when they base beliefs on false truths and build institutions around fallible and subjective concepts. In this article, I imply that “good and evil” is one of those fallible and subjective concepts. I say nothing about belief in God, just belief in a traditional “satan” figure and misconceptions of the nature of ancient deities. Unless you believe “Satan” = God, you are really digging here.

    3. I am not “bashing” Muslims because Muslims had nothing to do with this essay. When I write an essay on Muslims, I will methodically explain why I am against their institutional religion. I will not “bash” them as people or “bash” their beliefs. I do not like to do this, and I try to avoid “bashing” altogether as it is counterproductive and childish. If you feel I have “bashed”, please cite what I said and how it is “bashing”. I will then explain my meaning in another way.
    Plus, we at the ACP are against all monotheistic religions. This includes Islam. Christianity is generally more immediate in our experience and more of a threat to those in the group, which is why that appears to be our primary focus. I am more “afraid” of direct violence from Christian hands than Muslim.

    4. Of course there is a “right and wrong” without “God and Devil”. Do you think that concepts cease to exist just because there aren’t incentives for going either way? Regardless of the instance of a lack of supernatural incentive, the decision of what is “right and wrong” falls in the hands of men.

    5. Please do not pray for me and others like me. It would be a waste of energy on your part, and I generally don’t appreciate it as you would hope.

    6. You do not know how I feel. I deduce easily this by one fact: You are currently Christian. I will never be Christian again, plain and simple. You can not even begin to imagine the depths of repulsion coursing through my veins. You think you can, most Christians imagine they can, having “doubted” in the past, but the truth is, if any of them had plunged into the same depths I, and others like me, occupy, none of them would be bowing to their “Jesus” anymore. This is beyond “doubt” and “lack of belief”. This is complete and utter rejection to the core of one’s being, and then the breath of freedom that follows. Once you breathe in the scent of clean air, you never return to breathing in fumes.

  8. SAMIRA says:

    God and Lucifer are nothing to do with good or evil both can be Good and both can be evil. Some examples of the evil implicted on humans by God. … Babies being born with original sin , the starving in Africa, Wars fought in the name of God … asking Abraham to kill his son to prove he loves Him more .. most evil of all watching his own son suffer the most horrible evil death to save humanity the same humanity he rejects. Lucifer only wanted to share the kingdom he had an opinion God didn’t like so he cast him out of Heaven and stripped him from all glory and his name. God created Man in his own image therefore the good or bad deeds Man do are a relflection of God Himself not Lucifer or any other entity !!

  9. health tea says:

    Seriously? Don’t misunderstand what I mean, I agree with you partly, but when you make a statement like this you actually need to be prepared to back it up.

  10. Chad says:

    Just a few quick observations…First, your statement regarding the Christian "Hell" being drived from the Norse "Hel"…This is not accurate. The term "Hell", as it relates to Christianity, is a Greek term which actually means nothing more than "Grave". Admittedly Christianity itself terribly misrepresents the use and meaning of hell, because the Bible refers to the place of suffering (in the after-life) as the "Lake of Fire".

    So far as "Evil" goes…First, how does one define evil? Evil is not a free standing, intangible notion. Its like asking if theres such a thing as "Cold", or is there such a thing as "darkness"? The answer to all of these is no….Cold is nothing more than the absence of heat, whereas darkness is nothing more than the absense of light….The same goes for Evil; which is nothing more than the absence of all things we see as "Good"…i.e. Love, kindness, mercy, compassion etc…

  11. Chad says:

    So far as satan goes….There are a number of terms used in both the Old and New Testaments of the Bible to describe the adversary of God…Serpent, Abaddon, King of Tyrus, Locust King, Annointed Cherub, Appolyon, Beelzebub, Devil, Dragon etc….Satan is not the only name used.

  12. Anath says:

    On your analysis on the etymology of the term "hell", I must disagree strongly. The Online Etymology Dictionary as well as several entries on Dicitonary.com list the origin of the word to be derived from Old English "hel" which derives directly from Anglo-Saxon "Hel". Here are links to confirm my information: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=hell and http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hell
    If you can provide reference to support your Greek theory, I would be happy to see it. When the Bible (both NT and OT) were translated into English, virtually all the variants of the afterlife were translated into "hell" despite their original Hebrew and Greek connotations.

    As to your second point, I would have hoped you to derive from my essay that I do not believe in the concepts of "Good" and "Evil" at all. I believe it is a false duality and ultimately the two sides are relative, not absolute. However, this leads to the fact that the only way your point of "evil = absence of good" to be definitively true is if they WERE a duality, absolutes, and completely passive. Additionally, the definition you mentioned would only cover Evil-By-Omission, such as not speaking up when something wrong is happening, but it does not cover ACTS OF "EVIL". In order to commit an ACT OF "Evil", we're not talking about an absence but a PRESENCE of action.

    For example, murder is an ACTIVE behavior, not a passive one; its not an "absence of good" that leads a person to commit such an action, but the PRESENCE of something else. That active presence includes motives, methods, and the act of DOING. You can't just remove "Good" and expect "Evil" to remain–frequently "Evil" requires an act of it's own.

  13. Chad says:

    “I do not believe in the concepts of “Good” and “Evil” at all. I believe it is a false duality and ultimately the two sides are relative, not absolute. ”

    Ok so how do you view the concepts of right & wrong? Do you see them as relative? Or do you see them as absolute?

    “For example, murder is an ACTIVE behavior, not a passive one; its not an “absence of good” that leads a person to commit such an action, but the PRESENCE of something else. That active presence includes motives, methods, and the act of DOING ”

    Methods & acts of doing are part of the act itself…not a driving presence of the desire to carry it out.

  14. Anath says:

    "Right and wrong"? EXTREMELY relative. Not only can the "right" or "wrong" behavior vary from person to person, but it also varies from situation to situation. Is it "right" or "wrong" to punch someone? Is it "right" or "wrong" to kiss someone? Depends entirely on the context.

    Additionally, I hold the view that everyone has their own particular continuum of what is "right/wrong" "good/evil" "better/worse" behaviors, so while one is able to judge and rank a behavior according to his or her own scale, they are incorrect in assuming that scale applies to anyone else.

    "Methods & acts of doing are part of the act itself…not a driving presence of the desire to carry it out. "

    You obviously missed what I was hinting at. By "presence", I was referring to a more abstract notion in terms of these opposites: "present / absent" , "positive / negative" "substance / no substance". Your argument was based around these opposites as well– that one term is actually is the absence of another presence. My assertion is that what one might call "evil" is its own autonomous concept, not simply the absence of another concept.

    The reason I included "the act of DOING" specifically is based on the emphasis in that phrase: DOING. Action is the opposite of passivity, and were "evil" simply an absence, there would be no action; no DOING.

  15. chad says:

    Ok now I see. Thanks for the clarification!

  16. LeaT says:

    Anath is correct in her assertion that the English word "hell" comes from the Norse word "hel". In Norse mythology, Hel was the place of the underworld where the souls of the dead departed. It was a cold and desolate place, quite different to the Christian idea of "hell". Hel was located underneath the world tree Yggdrassil. People who died old and sick were usually transported to Hel, whereas if you died in battle, a valkyrie would carry you to Odin's halls in Valhalla. Since Hel wasn't a very nice place to be in, men rather preferred to die in battle than old and sick in their bed. Wikipedia has actually some neat information about the Greek word for the underworld: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hades

    And it is more likely that Sheol in that case would've been translated into Greek since Sheol refers to something completely different than Hades, although most underworlds in pagan mythologies bear many similarities. So even if Sheol would've been translated into Greek and then into English, it seems very unlikely the Greek translation would sound anything similar to "hel" or "hell".

  17. LeaT says:

    I think you are mixing things up. It's a common misconception that all these things would refer to the same character, but that's not necessarily true. Satan means adversary in Greek, but there's nothing that connects Satan to for example be the same character known as Lucifer, and Lucifer might in fact even be a horrible misstranslation.

    [i]In Christianity, terms that are synonymous with "Satan" include:
    The most common English synonym for "Satan" is "Devil", which descends from Middle English devel, from Old English dēofol, that in turn represents an early Germanic borrowing of Latin diabolus (also the source of "diabolical"). This in turn was borrowed from Greek diabolos "slanderer", from diaballein "to slander": dia- "across, through" + ballein "to hurl".[10] In the New Testament, "Satan" occurs more than thirty times in passages alongside Diabolos (Greek for "the devil"), referring to the same person or thing as Satan.[11]
    * Lucifer is sometimes used in Christian theology to refer to Satan, as a result of identifying the fallen "son of the dawn" of Isaiah 14:12 with the "accuser" of other passages in the Old Testament.
    * Beelzebub is originally the name of a Philistine god (more specifically a certain type of Baal, from Ba‘al Zebûb, lit. "Lord of Flies") but is also used in the New Testament as a synonym for Satan. A corrupted version, "Belzeboub", appears in The Divine Comedy.
    * Satan is identified as the serpent who convinced Eve to eat the forbidden fruit; thus, Satan has often been depicted as a serpent. This interpretation goes back at least as far as the time of the writing of the book of Revelation, which specifically identifies Satan as being the serpent (Rev. 20:2).
    * "The dragon" and "the old serpent" in the Book of Revelation 12:9, 20:2 have been identified with Satan. The Book of Revelation also refers to "the deceiver," from which is derived the common epithet "the great deceiver."[12] Other terms identified with Satan include "the prince of this world" in the Book of John 12:31, 14:30; "the prince of the power of the air" also called Meririm, and "the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" in the Book of Ephesians 2:2; and "the god of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:4.[13]
    * Leviathan is described as "that crooked serpent", which is also used to describe Satan in Revelation 12:9. 'Sar ha Olam,' a possible name for Metatron, is described as Satan by Michael, Jehoel and St. Paul.[/i]

    This is taken off the English Wikipedia from the article named Satan. As you can see, many of the names have very little to do with what people today consider to be the devil. Lucifer means bringer of light, and it is now considered that it might be a reference to morning star, and there's nothing that necessarily connects the serpent in Eden to be Satan. Same goes for the dragon. If anything, I would ascribe the serpent a sexual symbolic value, maybe even as a phallic symbol. I have no doubt in my mind why it was Eve (a woman) that was seduced by sexuality, and that it was because she was a woman that the original sin occured. It all seems to boil down much to such things as menstruation and blackmailing older pagan religions that hailed female fertility, since it was a symbol for the earth. This is why you will find many female fertility goddesses but very few male ones. So what I am trying to say is that Satan, Beelzebub, Lucifer among others have nothing to do with each other, as once you start looking into their origins they seem to be completely unrelated.

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