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	<title>Comments on: Debunking Christianity 2.5 - The Ignorance of Evil</title>
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	<description>Behold, Bastard son! We are the evil ones.</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SAMIRA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SAMIRA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God and Lucifer are nothing to do with good or evil both can be Good and both can be evil. Some examples of the evil implicted on humans by God. ... Babies being born with original sin , the starving in Africa, Wars fought in the name of God ... asking Abraham to kill his son to prove he loves Him more .. most evil of all watching his own son suffer the most horrible evil death to save humanity the same humanity he rejects. Lucifer only wanted to share the kingdom he had an opinion God didn't like so he cast him out of Heaven and stripped him from all glory and his name. God created Man in his own image therefore the good or bad deeds Man do are a relflection of God Himself not Lucifer or any other entity !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God and Lucifer are nothing to do with good or evil both can be Good and both can be evil. Some examples of the evil implicted on humans by God. &#8230; Babies being born with original sin , the starving in Africa, Wars fought in the name of God &#8230; asking Abraham to kill his son to prove he loves Him more .. most evil of all watching his own son suffer the most horrible evil death to save humanity the same humanity he rejects. Lucifer only wanted to share the kingdom he had an opinion God didn&#8217;t like so he cast him out of Heaven and stripped him from all glory and his name. God created Man in his own image therefore the good or bad deeds Man do are a relflection of God Himself not Lucifer or any other entity !!</p>
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		<title>By: Anath</title>
		<link>http://www.antichristian-phenomenon.com/anath/debunking-christianity-25-the-ignorance-of-evil#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>Anath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SpHaeR, sorry for the late reply, I forgot about it entirely until "charlie c" came along. :P
After a few months away from the essay, I see what you mean.  I can tell you, writing it, I really had the agenda of putting that whole topic in, as it is something you know I have studied intently and wanted to include in an essay on "evil".   When I got to that part, though, I think I really just lost the momentum of the essay and launched into last.fm-christian-debating-time mode, which is very different than the style earlier in the text.  But hey, what's done is done, and I agree that you are quite correct.

Now for "charlie c":
If this is directed at me, the author, I will respond in kind.  I like writing responses but I don't want to waste my time on something not directed at me. :)
Numbered for ease of reading and potential cohesive reply.

1. Who said I don't believe in God?  Does it say so anywhere in this essay or in anything else I have written?  Please do not put words in my mouth.

2. I don't care whether other people believe in God, just when they base beliefs on false truths and build institutions around fallible and subjective concepts.  In this article, I imply that "good and evil" is one of those fallible and subjective concepts.  I say nothing about belief in God, just belief in a traditional "satan" figure and misconceptions of the nature of ancient deities.  Unless you believe "Satan" = God, you are really digging here.

3.  I am not "bashing" Muslims because Muslims had nothing to do with this essay.  When I write an essay on Muslims, I will methodically explain why I am against their institutional religion.  I will not "bash" them as people or "bash" their beliefs.  I do not like to do this, and I try to avoid "bashing" altogether as it is counterproductive and childish.  If you feel I have "bashed", please cite what I said and how it is "bashing".  I will then explain my meaning in another way.
Plus, we at the ACP are against all monotheistic religions.  This includes Islam.  Christianity is generally more immediate in our experience and more of a threat to those in the group, which is why that appears to be our primary focus.  I am more "afraid" of direct violence from Christian hands than Muslim.

4.  Of course there is a "right and wrong" without "God and Devil".  Do you think that concepts cease to exist just because there aren't incentives for going either way?   Regardless of the instance of a lack of supernatural incentive, the decision of what is "right and wrong" falls in the hands of men.

5. Please do not pray for me and others like me.  It would be a waste of energy on your part, and I generally don't appreciate it as you would hope.

6. You do not know how I feel.  I deduce easily this by one fact: You are currently Christian.  I will never be Christian again, plain and simple.  You can not even begin to imagine the depths of repulsion coursing through my veins.  You think you can, most Christians imagine they can, having "doubted" in the past, but the truth is, if any of them had plunged into the same depths I, and others like me, occupy, none of them would be bowing to their "Jesus" anymore.   This is beyond "doubt" and "lack of belief".  This is complete and utter rejection to the core of one's being, and then the breath of freedom that follows.  Once you breathe in the scent of clean air, you never return to breathing in fumes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SpHaeR, sorry for the late reply, I forgot about it entirely until &#8220;charlie c&#8221; came along. <img src='http://www.antichristian-phenomenon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
After a few months away from the essay, I see what you mean.  I can tell you, writing it, I really had the agenda of putting that whole topic in, as it is something you know I have studied intently and wanted to include in an essay on &#8220;evil&#8221;.   When I got to that part, though, I think I really just lost the momentum of the essay and launched into last.fm-christian-debating-time mode, which is very different than the style earlier in the text.  But hey, what&#8217;s done is done, and I agree that you are quite correct.</p>
<p>Now for &#8220;charlie c&#8221;:<br />
If this is directed at me, the author, I will respond in kind.  I like writing responses but I don&#8217;t want to waste my time on something not directed at me. <img src='http://www.antichristian-phenomenon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Numbered for ease of reading and potential cohesive reply.</p>
<p>1. Who said I don&#8217;t believe in God?  Does it say so anywhere in this essay or in anything else I have written?  Please do not put words in my mouth.</p>
<p>2. I don&#8217;t care whether other people believe in God, just when they base beliefs on false truths and build institutions around fallible and subjective concepts.  In this article, I imply that &#8220;good and evil&#8221; is one of those fallible and subjective concepts.  I say nothing about belief in God, just belief in a traditional &#8220;satan&#8221; figure and misconceptions of the nature of ancient deities.  Unless you believe &#8220;Satan&#8221; = God, you are really digging here.</p>
<p>3.  I am not &#8220;bashing&#8221; Muslims because Muslims had nothing to do with this essay.  When I write an essay on Muslims, I will methodically explain why I am against their institutional religion.  I will not &#8220;bash&#8221; them as people or &#8220;bash&#8221; their beliefs.  I do not like to do this, and I try to avoid &#8220;bashing&#8221; altogether as it is counterproductive and childish.  If you feel I have &#8220;bashed&#8221;, please cite what I said and how it is &#8220;bashing&#8221;.  I will then explain my meaning in another way.<br />
Plus, we at the ACP are against all monotheistic religions.  This includes Islam.  Christianity is generally more immediate in our experience and more of a threat to those in the group, which is why that appears to be our primary focus.  I am more &#8220;afraid&#8221; of direct violence from Christian hands than Muslim.</p>
<p>4.  Of course there is a &#8220;right and wrong&#8221; without &#8220;God and Devil&#8221;.  Do you think that concepts cease to exist just because there aren&#8217;t incentives for going either way?   Regardless of the instance of a lack of supernatural incentive, the decision of what is &#8220;right and wrong&#8221; falls in the hands of men.</p>
<p>5. Please do not pray for me and others like me.  It would be a waste of energy on your part, and I generally don&#8217;t appreciate it as you would hope.</p>
<p>6. You do not know how I feel.  I deduce easily this by one fact: You are currently Christian.  I will never be Christian again, plain and simple.  You can not even begin to imagine the depths of repulsion coursing through my veins.  You think you can, most Christians imagine they can, having &#8220;doubted&#8221; in the past, but the truth is, if any of them had plunged into the same depths I, and others like me, occupy, none of them would be bowing to their &#8220;Jesus&#8221; anymore.   This is beyond &#8220;doubt&#8221; and &#8220;lack of belief&#8221;.  This is complete and utter rejection to the core of one&#8217;s being, and then the breath of freedom that follows.  Once you breathe in the scent of clean air, you never return to breathing in fumes.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie c</title>
		<link>http://www.antichristian-phenomenon.com/anath/debunking-christianity-25-the-ignorance-of-evil#comment-461</link>
		<dc:creator>charlie c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question for you. If you don't believe in God, why are you so worried if other people are? Why aren't you bashing Muslims? Are you afraid they'll cut your thoat if they find out who you are and the Chrisitans will pray for you. Don't know who you are, just feel sorry for you. What do you believe in? Yourself and your rational of good and evil. If there is no God and no Devil, is there a right and a wrong?

 Jesus is the most famous person that ever lived. The most wrote about, the most sung about, the most celebrated and the most hated. There is a reason for this, he is the Son of God. I hope and pray that you think about your thinking on this. I know how you feel, I once felt the same way. You can doubt all you want but I personally know what God has done for me. I hope he does the same for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question for you. If you don&#8217;t believe in God, why are you so worried if other people are? Why aren&#8217;t you bashing Muslims? Are you afraid they&#8217;ll cut your thoat if they find out who you are and the Chrisitans will pray for you. Don&#8217;t know who you are, just feel sorry for you. What do you believe in? Yourself and your rational of good and evil. If there is no God and no Devil, is there a right and a wrong?</p>
<p> Jesus is the most famous person that ever lived. The most wrote about, the most sung about, the most celebrated and the most hated. There is a reason for this, he is the Son of God. I hope and pray that you think about your thinking on this. I know how you feel, I once felt the same way. You can doubt all you want but I personally know what God has done for me. I hope he does the same for you.</p>
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		<title>By: SpHaeR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpHaeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that is not what I mean. To me, you had already made and defended your point admirably before you started to discuss satan. Although the paragraphs on Satan seem well researched, they were very much more detailed than the rest of the text. It's all very interesting, but it felt kind of an appendix to me. Hacking at the ancient root is better, but in the scope of this article I think it wasn't necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that is not what I mean. To me, you had already made and defended your point admirably before you started to discuss satan. Although the paragraphs on Satan seem well researched, they were very much more detailed than the rest of the text. It&#8217;s all very interesting, but it felt kind of an appendix to me. Hacking at the ancient root is better, but in the scope of this article I think it wasn&#8217;t necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Anath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you would propose hacking at modern branches rather than an ancient root?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you would propose hacking at modern branches rather than an ancient root?</p>
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		<title>By: Waldheri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waldheri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good text indeed, although I have one comment. It's good to stop and discuss the very embodiment of "evil" today (Satan), but I think you've overdone it a bit. Although I'm sure you've done your research correctly, I think it's very hard to find evidence for anything other than the grand play of contradictions in "holy" texts. It seems a bit hypocritical to discredit modern religious opinion by going back in time some thousand years and try to explain what was actually meant in the original Hebrew language. Of course a religion (and thus the notion of "evil") changes with time and change in language. I think it might have been enough to discuss the idea that the existence of "evil" is a fairly new - that it hadn't existed before in older religions. Satan is merely an example of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good text indeed, although I have one comment. It&#8217;s good to stop and discuss the very embodiment of &#8220;evil&#8221; today (Satan), but I think you&#8217;ve overdone it a bit. Although I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve done your research correctly, I think it&#8217;s very hard to find evidence for anything other than the grand play of contradictions in &#8220;holy&#8221; texts. It seems a bit hypocritical to discredit modern religious opinion by going back in time some thousand years and try to explain what was actually meant in the original Hebrew language. Of course a religion (and thus the notion of &#8220;evil&#8221;) changes with time and change in language. I think it might have been enough to discuss the idea that the existence of &#8220;evil&#8221; is a fairly new - that it hadn&#8217;t existed before in older religions. Satan is merely an example of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not at all. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not at all. <img src='http://www.antichristian-phenomenon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Db0</title>
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		<dc:creator>Db0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing post Anath. Well done and I'm glad you chose to host it here :) 

Do you mind if I submit it to the Carnival of the Godless?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing post Anath. Well done and I&#8217;m glad you chose to host it here <img src='http://www.antichristian-phenomenon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Do you mind if I submit it to the Carnival of the Godless?</p>
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