Of all the Christian Myths, that of Satan, also mistakenly known as Lucifer, and the origin of “Evil” seems to be the most misunderstood. One would expect such a common story to be at least somewhat understood by the people who propagate it, yet this is not the case. I am creating this article to fuse together old posts and pieces of debate for a reliable reference. In the future, I (and others) can just link this article or quote parts of it when the topic arises. I think I have gotten into this debate no less than twenty times with different people over the past few months, and the subject is getting old.

Enjoy this, and feel free to use it for reference. –Anath

Who is Satan, really? I propose that he is not who the Christians believe him to be, in fact, I propose that “he” is not even a “he” at all.

Who do Christians believe Satan is? I was in a debate about such things with a young girl, lets call her Christina, who had been raised Christian, and was somewhat fanatic about her faith. We had a slight misunderstanding, and I asked her to clarify what she believed she knew about “Satan” (Post edited only for spelling mistakes, and to make more comprehensible).

I believe that Satan was Lucifer when he got kicked out of Heaven. He is very intelligent, in fact he knows exactly how to make someone believe a lie. he is very deceitful. I’ve seen this in my life before. In fact that whole “i am saved, I’m not sure, I’m not saved” thing was Satan’s doing. He wants nothing but the destruction of every soul, especially in this generation. Just look at all the teen pregnancies, suicides, anorexia, bulimia, depression, hopelessness, etc. He is nothing good. In fact, Jesus called him the father of all lies, and yes, I believe he wants to see people in hell, just because he is. “Misery loves company”.

These beliefs, while perhaps a bit generalized, are not uncommon. Some Christians believe more, some less, but this is a good example of the core lies propagated around this myth. Following is a series of responses to this quote, where I paraphrase the quote and disprove or redefine that specific section. Ready? Here we go:

1. Satan was Lucifer

Why it is wrong:

This is probably one of the biggest myths about the alleged being “Satan”.
“Lucifer” is a fictional character popularized by English poet John Milton for an epic poem entitled Paradise Lost, in which he describes the fall of man and the fall of rebel angels. Lucifer is a Latin word, with the approximate translation “Light-Bringer”. If one believes there really is an Archangel named “Lucifer”, one is horribly wrong for this fact alone. Should a real “Lucifer” have any name, it would be Hebrew, not Latin. We will examine the potential origins of this name later.

Most Satanists use Milton’s Lucifer as a role model, not as a deity, though “Devil Worship” is not unheard of. However, this is not true Satanism, and few true Satanists regard it as anything more than a misguided version of Christianity.

In addition, the whole “cast from heaven” concept and Lucifer tempting man stems from this poem. In genesis, Adam and Eve are tempted by a SNAKE, and while some say that this was Satan in the form of an animal, the syntax of the text might prove otherwise. Keep in mind, there are a variety of interpretations for this story of Genesis. I present only one. I may cover more of them (such as the Seraph and the Nephilim myth, dragons, dinosaurs, and all in between) in a later article. We shall see.

Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” Genesis 3:1

If the “Serpent” was really “Satan”, it would not say that the creature was “more crafty than any of the wild animals“, because it would not BE a “wild animal”, it would be “Satan”, and though it would not say “Satan”, it would likely imply that the serpent talking to Eve was not actually an animal. Now there is also debate that the “serpent” could refer to a Seraphim though with that particular usage, it seems more that they are actually talking about an animal than any sort of divine being. There is no further evidence in the text to indicate that the serpent is anything BUT a normal snake, aside from the fact it talks, but who’s to say talking animals weren’t common in “Eden”, or wait… maybe the entire story is symbolic and not actually literal events.

To go beyond this, some believe that there is evidence in the bible to support the details of Milton’s poem. (Please click on these and read, links open in new window)

  1. Ezekiel 28:13-19
  2.  Isaiah 14:12

These excerpts are used out of context. Read the entire section (Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14) and you will learn that in fact the text has NOTHING to do with “Satan”, but instead are prophecies against the King of Tyre (Ez 28) and the King of Babylon (Is 14).

Now notice that in a King James Isaiah 14:12, the name of Lucifer is listed. This is only true in KJV. ONLY KJV. This is a strange coincidence, and it was not there initially, COULD not be there initially, or KJV would not be the only edition containing the “error”. “Lucifer” would be listed in ALL Christian bibles, as well as the Jewish Tanakh; the book the Christians call the Old Testament. Upon further examination, a little light is shed on this mistranslation.

In the Tanakh–the Jewish translation direct from Hebrew–, Isaiah 14:12 reads:
“… O Shining One, son of Dawn!…”
In the New International Version, it reads:
“… O morning star, Son of Dawn!…”
and in the King James, it reads:
“… O Lucifer, son of the morning!…”

We can deduce that Lucifer translated as another name for the “morning star” or “light bringer (in regards to a STAR bringing the first light of morning)”; and with a little astronomy, one would know the “morning star” to be none other than the planet Venus! In some cultures, it was thought to be two separate bodies, since it appears as the first star of the morning and the first star of the evening. And so “Lucifer” WAS the morning star — Venus! This literal, astrological definition may have been the original connotation of the “name”.

How did a synonym for the morning star, Venus, become an archangel? This is where the history becomes hazy, and I have more research to do. What I have thus far is that the original King James was published with the Apocrypha and the Pseudepigrapha–a series of books that are not ‘scripture’, but more like folk stories, but I have yet to read either of these books. I intend on at least skimming them soon, and will continue to update with my findings. If anyone has any light to shed on this topic, please email me (Anath[at]antichristian-phenomenon.com).

From what I have gathered thus far, by Milton’s time, the personification of Lucifer was at least partially complete, and he merely penned, exaggerated, and popularized the legend; using stories from the Apocrypha as his base!

2. Wants to see people in Hell because he is.

This is a little out of order, but flows with my past point.

Why it is wrong:

“Lucifer/Satan” was only placed in “hell” because of literature. Both Dante and Milton placed him in Hell, and for some reason, people took the words of these two poets as another Gospel. Now a common view of hell is a Dantean 9-layered pit, full of Demons and Tortures for sinners, depending on their sin of choice. Unfortunately for those believers, this was created as a work of fiction — political satire, entertainment, and so on. It was never meant as Gospel, nor was Milton’s poem, yet people use these works of LITERATURE and folk tales as truth. It’d be like me using A Tale of Two Cities as a factual source on a scholarly paper about the French Revolution. But people do it, frequently.

3. He is very intelligent…decietful

Why it is wrong:

In order to understand how this could be wrong, one must first re-examine the first point. If “Satan” isn’t “Lucifer”, who/what is he?

The Christian interpretation is that “He” is a being of some form, thereby intelligent; the source of all deceit and lies; the source of evil, etc. I’ll further disprove this in my next point, but point #3 is simply questioning the sentient nature of “satan”.

The Hebrew definition of “satan” is “Adversary”. “Satan” is not a name, or a tangible being, but merely a term for the opponent, usually in the court of law. This kind of gives the term “Devil’s Advocate” a new light, since to play “Devil’s Advocate”, one does in fact take on the title of “Satan”.
So in this debate, Christine is my “satan”, and I am her “satan”. Does that make one of us “evil”? No. It just means we’re “opponents” or “adversaries”. “God” is the “Devil”‘s “Satan”, and “the Devil” is “God”‘s “Satan”. You see, if I side with “the Devil”, God is now Satan, by technicality of language. Thereby, “Satan” is not a single sentient being, but everyone and no one. Don’t believe me? Check a Hebrew Glossary. Many Hebrew glossaries I’ve found online don’t even list the term.

4. I’ve seen this in my life… this was not God’s doing… (satan) is nothing good

Why it is wrong:

To determine the falsity of this statement, one must answer these two Questions from a Christian standpoint.

  1. Is God Omnipotent?
  2. Is God Omnipresent?

If you answered Yes to either of these questions, you will readily agree with the following statement:

All things originate in God.”

If you do not believe this statement, you do not believe fully in Christianity, for this is one of the cornerstones of the Faith.

However, think of this. If God is Omnipresent, he is everywhere, in everything. If God is Omnipotent he is all powerful (implying that he is the creator God and has control over his creation). If God is both in everything and all-powerful, what is he not in?

Nothing.

If there is something He is NOT present in, then He is NOT omnipresent or omnipotent. One can not choose what he is in and is not in; he is to be EVERYWHERE in EVERYTHING. “Good” and “Evil”, “Right” and “Wrong”, “Black” and “White”, “Water” and “Earth”.

When this topic comes to mind, so does this quote:

God is nothing if He is not, in every sense, the surpassing God;
In the sense of common everyday being, in the sense of dread,
Horror and impurity, and, finally, in the sense of nothing…

(666 grim points to anyone who can name the source of the quote without using a search engine)

One can not glorify one aspect of an omnipotent, omnipresent deity and ignore another. “God” and “Satan”; two sides of the same coin. There is no light without darkness to show what is light. There is no true joy without suffering to make the happy times seem truly happy. If one can not accept all facets, one can not really accept anything.

At this point, take a step back from your narrow view of “good” and “evil” and think for a while.

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19 Responses to “Debunking Christianity II – Satan and the Nature of Evil”
  1. Alexander K. Lykke says:

    Awesome arguments! We think exactly alike. Thank you for taking the time to do the research for this. I’m so sick of people clinging to religion, like rats to a sinking ship, especially all those damn, hyppocrite Americans who press their Christianity to their chests… I just get so angry. Excuse me. But wouldn’t it just be wonderful to force them all to listen to all the proof that their religion is false in every sense of the word? I’m not against religion, but I despise dogmatic religions, especially christianity (they won’t get no captital c from me).

    I’m member of the last.fm group, my username is Veil_of_truth…

    See you around..!

  2. Alexander K. Lykke says:

    Btw, I have nothing against Americans in common, only the ones who are ignorant when it comes to their religion. I’m not going to mention politics in this site… :P

  3. Db0 says:

    Since you brought this up, here a nice article about this

    (using Google cache because the site seems to be down)

    Alexander, if you don’t have your own website you can just put your last.fm profile as a URL

  4. Venus says:

    I found this article to be very intigrated into the history of our world, and very well written.
    I am currently writting a book. My book is based on the bible in it’s entirety. I have already started with the stoies of Genesis. I use outside knowledge, and definitions, as well as scripture to back up anything that is written in my book.
    I fully believe in God. I try to explain my beliefs to many Christains and it seems like it’s too much information for them to wrap their head around. I thought that I might give this a try. I know that I may be defying what this page is all about, but I thought my information might just peak some interest in others and create some meaningful conversation. I believe that everything that exists was of god, and as well every decendent of this earth either now living, or dead came from god. If we were to look into the definitions of the angles we would see that there are pure definitions of types of angles in the bible. There are two that exist in the fith house of god prior to living on this earth one is known as a CHERUBIM and the other a SERAPHIM each one of these angle ordinances were meant to take human form. Most Christians believe that we were already human when we were in Eden. I have tried to rid this concept whereever I go. Back to the Definitions. A Cherubim is what is known as a keeper of the way of the tree of life. This indicating any person that is female lived as a cherubim in the previous Eden. We were enately as created by god meant to do certain jobs, one of these jobs included being ushered out of heaven to come and live on this earth, so that we may live with free will. When the snake had came and said to Eve GENISIS 3:4, “And the serpant said onto the woman, Ye shall surely not die” 3:5, “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing what the gods know. Now god both created this apparation to push Eve out and and to have humans living on this place we know as earth. God knew because he had instilled in her enately the want and the need to love something as much as god loved her. How else would you love something so much unless just like with god you gave birth to it. This led to her creating her fulfillment and what god had created her to do. For eating of that tree for that very reason the same was her punishment. You must now go forth and multiply and in sorrow and in pain. I will tell you more later should you be interested in interacting more with me my email address will be given to those who ask for it.

  5. beloved zappa says:

    That’s full of shit Venus. Pure speculation. Also, get a spell-checkar.

  6. Minion4Hire says:

    I’m going to step that up a notch. Venus, you are STUNNINGLY full of shit. Creative mind you, but I suppose you have to be in order to justify your beliefs to yourself in such a contrived manner. Good luck with that book though. Bound to be a side-splitting read.

  7. SocraticAddict says:

    Very interesting discussion here, especially Anath’s analysis. I’ve been trying for years to come to terms with extra-dimensional “powers that be” and lean towrd _something_ existing beyond us, but nothing decisive yet. Along the lines of Anath’s logic in point #4, I have to wonder – If there was, in fact, a “chief fallen angel,” where did the impetus come from for him to “sin”? If God’s universe was essentially a closed system – created and maintained by Him – how does one allow for this “glitch” to enter? There was no one there to tempt Lucifer, right? Wouldn’t a God who is perfect and capable of good to the exclusion of all else be unable to produce such an anomaly in his creations without _intending_ to do so? If, however, there _was_ (somehow!) unintended potential for this anomaly, then one must at least credit Lucifer/Satan with having the only original thought outside of God. (BTW, I believe the term “Lucifer” preceeds the Romans and goes back to Plato and Socrates as a foil for Helios and Hermes. Could be mistaken about that, tho.)

  8. Brian says:

    Debunking Christianity II – Satan and the Nature of Evil
    Posted by: Anath in Religion

    I could easily challenge Anath on this article alone. I read it through, and 90 % of it is out of the water. It was not difficult for me to see his errors. If Anath allows me to reply to his article, I could take the time to do it in a week, since Im quite busy this month.

  9. Anath says:

    Go ahead, I’m game. Just as long as the “errors” you see are legit. :P

    And one would think that after writing a rather lengthy article about gender, people would get it right… Or at the very least recognize that my pseudonym is that of a godDESS… Eh… I’m so used to being referred to as male at this point, I think I might have developed some sort of complex.

  10. Minion4Hire says:

    Brian said:I could easily challenge Anath on this article alone. I read it through, and 90 % of it is out of the water. It was not difficult for me to see his errors. If Anath allows me to reply to his article, I could take the time to do it in a week, since Im quite busy this month.

    Free and open discussion is encouraged (or was that discouraged…? I can never remember) so throw your thoughts up here at your leisure. I’m actually quite interested in said errors.

  11. soulrippr4 says:

    There is going to be a great war among Russia and America in the future years,with Russia developing its nuclear capabilities.Its gonna’ be ahell of a war as i am a survivor of the war from the future and my codename was soulrippr

  12. Db0 says:

    All too many nutters in here…

  13. Brian says:

    # Minion4Hire says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 9:12 am – Edit

    Brian said:I could easily challenge Anath on this article alone. I read it through, and 90 % of it is out of the water. It was not difficult for me to see his errors. If Anath allows me to reply to his article, I could take the time to do it in a week, since Im quite busy this month.

    Free and open discussion is encouraged (or was that discouraged…? I can never remember) so throw your thoughts up here at your leisure. I’m actually quite interested in said errors.
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    Sorry, Your reply was sent to me by email but it went into my Junk mail and I had not seen it.

    Well, I don’t want to do it here, it would be too long if you guys want me to expose the errors in detail to avoid confusion and to clearly show what would need to be exposed.

    That’s why I said if Anath would allow me to reply to this article, but I should of specified that I would need to do it in a Word document and send it to *her ( *Good thing I read the first paragraph of another of her articles! – About gender!).

    Or – I could do it here, but won’t obviously be the same…

  14. Brian says:

    # Anath says:
    June 7th, 2008 at 4:01 am – Edit

    Go ahead, I’m game. Just as long as the “errors” you see are legit. :P

    And one would think that after writing a rather lengthy article about gender, people would get it right… Or at the very least recognize that my pseudonym is that of a godDESS… Eh… I’m so used to being referred to as male at this point, I think I might have developed some sort of complex.

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    Stupid me, I had not seen Anath replied right below my comment, I scrolled too fast. I’m at work right now during my break.

    Ok, I will take the time to reply in a clear and yet not too long word document. I should be able to do it in a few weeks.

  15. Anath says:

    It probably would be more constructive posted publicly. I prefer an open-forum style debate on large issues such as this, as my primary purpose with writing articles such as these is to open up discussion. However if you believe that your posts would be a bit too large for blog format it might be a good idea to head over to our last.fm forum and start up a thread.

    I do not hide the fact that I have gaps in my knowledge, and I’m sure you don’t have perfectly holistic view either, and I find that forum debate usually fills in gaps on both sides and results in significantly more productive debate. Just so you know, there are a few somewhat regular Christians on the ACP so don’t worry you’re just going to go in and be overwhelmed with pure opposition.

    However, if you would prefer a one-on-one debate, that’s fine.

  16. antichrist says:

    there are no satans just like there are no gods ! Long Live A.R.

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  18. loopmob says:

    Hey, I love your site. It seems most people don’t really bother writing articles that lack substance nowadays.

  19. Chad says:

    Thankfully, for you, most believers lead with their chins. You’ve spent a good deal of time trying to prove something wrong, and in doing so have revealed a whole new level of misunderstanding. When time permits I will be happy to point out the flaws in your argument. Perhaps in a day or two.

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