An Anti-Religion/Atheist Movement: Discussion
Posted by: BlueLinchpin in Religion, SocioPolitical, tags: activism, anti-religion, anti-theism, antitheism, atheism, Christianity, discussion, movement, youthThere’s been some talk of atheist movements and how they might work or be organized. I think this is a great idea, and the more push there is for the atheist agenda, the more sane our world will be. I wanted to write a small essay of sorts on how an atheist movement might be accomplished as well as ask for feedback from other writers and readers here at Anti-Christian Phenomenon. Serious change should be the on the minds of every active atheist or anti-theist, because the religious institutions of the world will never stop until everyone else is under their control. Beware, it’s a long albeit badly written, and very much thought out, at least I hope it is. Again, I’m looking for feedback and serious discussion.
Let’s address some serious questions.
First of all, what should the goals of such a movement be? If there is no goal, or if everyone has their own goal, no change will ever come. For a movement to actually move, there needs to be a general agreement on what needs to happen and how things should chance. I submit that the goals of such a movement should be a push for a weakening or even removal of religious influence, a push for critical thinking, and a push for greater personal freedom and acceptance (which could greatly help such a movement, as this is religion’s greatest weakness…more about this below, keep reading) would be perfect for three main goals. The first goal would be of course the main goal, no explanation needed there. The second goal, the push for critical thinking, is a goal which benefits everyone and can help bring members together while simultaneously helping the first goal (any time someone thinks, an angel dies!). The third goal is more subtle…by having greater acceptance than religion, this movement will draw in more people and can help settle the “cat herding” problem as long as the general rule is acceptance of personal choices (which don’t affect others). We may disagree among each other but we should respect each other’s intelligence. The first goal is more radical and may unsettle some, but the second two goals help soften the edge as well as draw in less radical and more “Dawkins” or laid back intellectual types.
Well, what sort of problems would such a movement face? Many! Religions, especially Christianity, are apt to react to their full ability, even violently, to any force which threatens their existence. Need I remind anyone of the Inquisition, witch hunts, and the modern day Church’s focus on stifling anything that threatens it like same sex marriage and evolution? We will need to accept that any successful atheist or anti-religious movement will immediately be received as evil and every effort will be made to stomp it out. Such a movement will need to grow it’s forces away from the mainstream media before it makes any serious pushes in the “real world”.
Such a movement will need some defense against the mainstream religious world, both online and off. Not all of us live in the U.S. or in the better parts of Europe where free speech is still somewhat respected, and even there the Church has a great amount of power and can even take down commercials it finds offensive. Online, precautions such as Freenet should be widely used and known so that all who speak out against the religious institutions can be free from censorship and being tracked by those who wish them harm. Offline, precautions need to be taken such as staying in groups (I’m sure there are more atheists than I who have had experiences where they have been threatened while alone because of speaking out), learning how to protect yourself, etc. In schools, bullying can often happen to atheists or practitioners of alternative religions, and later I’ll talk about school clubs or youth groups that can be formed which can also address this problem.
There’s also the often mentioned problem of organizing atheists being similar to ‘herding cats’. Atheists are by their very nature outspoken, independent, and critical. No one is going to agree on everything–religion’s greatest strength is it’s conformity. But perhaps this spirit can work for the movement, not against it. Read the ‘begin’ paragraph below. Either way, there needs to be a universal focus within the movement for acceptance of the personal choices of others. People of all walks of life need to be accepted, even if there is disagreement. Specifically, this movement should appeal to homosexuals who are being rejected by the religious world. Other fringe and minority groups that are often ridiculed, excluded or cast out such as the BDSM, polygamy, alternative spirituality (here’s a gray edge…alternative spiritualities are rejected by much of the world, and including them could help the movement, as long as they agree with the focus against real religion…something to think about and discuss), single parents, and whatever else you can think of–these groups can become powerful allies because religion and namely Christianity has rejected them and homosexuality specifically is becoming a powerful movement in America. A focus on tolerance of personal choices is key to herding cats. That, and string.
Not to mention the nagging problem of money. Religions are powerful today because they have a great system for getting money and using it–religion itself. Their very existence produces it’s own revenue, which they use to power their movement, and it’s a never-ending circle of greed and idiocy. An anti-theist movement will either have to make rich friends or learn to function, no, to thrive without a powerful funding system. This will be addressed later.
How could a movement like this begin? Those hoping for a widespread atheist movement need to build off of what our ‘elders’, the intellects who have come before us and who are slowly fading from life (otherwise known as getting old!). Namely, Richard Dawkins and his peers, who have cut a crude but workable space for us younger atheists to move around in and begin to get to real work. A respect for past atheists or at least anti-religious folk needs to be encouraged, these people deserve our respect because without them we’d be in a much worse place than we are today.
Any anti-religious or atheist movement needs to begin with the young, because the youth of the world are the source of all change and we (oh hell, it’s starting to become they, help me!) possess a powerfully idealistic and rebellious energy that can be harnessed to power this sort of movement. The youth of the world can be far more powerful in a setting where exploring and accepting their individuality is encouraged, in a setting where rebelling against the system (religion) is really happening. It really is a teenager’s dream, most teenagers that is, to change the world and create revolution, and such a movement could easily harness such individual power.
How can we begin to harness this power? Those who attend colleges and high schools can gather their anti-religious or atheist friends and begin to group together. A goal of these groups would be to become a recognized campus club, which would put them at the same level as the religious clubs on campus and encourage more to join them. At these clubs, there should be a focus on reading (like book clubs!), movies (documentaries mostly, as well as anything moving or anti-religious, but also religious movies and of course text should be viewed and talked about), critical thought and skepticism (perhaps holding or joining school debates about religion, working together to help out other on campus clubs such as the LGBT Alliance, culture clubs, and any humanity-type clubs…perhaps even attending Christian club meetings and watching the hilarity), talking about experiences with religion, etc. These clubs need to take both a social and politically active stance, with the social stance coming first to power the political stance. These groups should get support from the rest of the movement, and we should help each and every one of these small school groups to get an online (and thus louder) presence–we should help provide them with blogs (so they are more empowered to speak their own opinion) , regularly talk to them, and even try to help spread “gear” (because we all know that is the best way to get through to a teenager!), specifically Dawkins’ OUT gear which will definitely appeal to teenagers and college students and doesn’t require any work from us.
Working from simply gathering up and becoming small groups, to group activism should be easy. If youth groups manage to take off and get that youthful energy pumping, there should be no problem in getting that rebellious teenage anger and turning it into protests, debates, actively questioning the beliefs of those around them, and even actively rejecting Christian or religious customs such as the U.S.’ ‘under God’ part in the pledge of allegiance. This energy could easily turn more aggressive than needed, however, so it’s very important that older anti-religious groups gently steer them towards words instead of less legal activities. This is where blogs come in–blogging is a powerful and wonderful way to get your voice heard, and ultimately that is what a lot of teenagers want. Whether it be simply writing, speaking via film, using art, or other forms of communication, every person involved in the movement needs to have the support to get an online presence, and needs to be supported by the rest of the movement. I.e., comment and talk to them a lot, and make them heard. Getting the youth involved is the easiest and best way to power a cause.
Besides colleges and high schools, older folk need to be able to get involved. The primary goal of the older generation should be to provide support and help power up the younger generation, while perhaps taking the more intellectual stance. Atheists and anti-religious people of this generation should still get together and get in groups, but it is not such an important goal as it is with the younger generation. It would be helpful if this group were to gather more in a general area and meet less frequently than the students, but stay in contact and keep to similar activities as the student groups. These groups can work together with the student groups by providing materials and clearer organization, book and movie sharing, establishing themselves to the younger generations as older but still fighting against the religious system. The older groups–alright, I’ll admit I’m at a loss here. I’m not in this generation so I can only give vague, not very helpful suggestions. Moving on!
What sort of symbol or identification could such a movement employ? Richard Dawkin’s OUT CAMPAIGN symbol (see left) works perfectly. It’s already in production and used by a considerable group, and is already recognized by many atheists. And since red seems to now be the common color for atheists, well, there you go. It is commonly associated with revolution, rebellion, communism and (for some odd reason) conservatism, so it’s both a blessing and a curse. Personally, I would have chosen violet or indigo as the color of anti-religion, because it is a color of deep thought and intelligence. The “A” symbol is also useful because it is closely linked to “anarchy”, which while it has little if anything to do with the movement, is a symbol of idealist rebellion and already widely known. A variation of the “A” symbol should be used, however, as this is less a symbol and more a letter with a cute touch. Perhaps a mix between the anarchy and the atheist symbol, for a symbol of anti-religion? Either way, even speaking out through (more obvious than Dawkins’ symbols hopefully) bumper stickers or patches can help.
Now…what social values should this movement honor? If the movement doesn’t honor certain values, it will likely fail because there will be trouble within the ranks, as Christianity is now experiencing. As mentioned in the goals paragraph, this sort of movement should focus on critical thinking, skepticism, and personal freedom/choice. This means also allying with causes that seemingly have nothing to do with such a movement, like better and easier to obtain education, acceptance of personal choices and preferences (like homosexuality, alternative lifestyles like BDSM and polygamy even if personally you might be opposed to it), etc. There is a definite potential for some serious splits however, as on certain issues like gun control, and on these issues the movement may experience serious trouble and split. Hopefully, however, the members of the movement will be intelligent enough to allow room for political opinions differing from their own.
How exactly can this movement weaken religion? A widespread call, similar to the civil rights and women’s suffrage movements, can be surprisingly powerful in affecting government policy as well as political opinion. I’m sure there were those who thought, “oh, no, blacks can’t be organized!” or “oh, no, women can’t be organized!”, but they did it and they changed the world forever. Loud and proud anti-religiousness can help support politicians who are closet atheists or just not really Christians as they claim they are (we know they’re out there, but thanks to Christianity’s hold on politics and public opinion, saying otherwise is a death sentence), and hopefully more will come out or run for office. Actively asking members of these groups or just friends to support anti-religious measures as well as supporting fellow anti-religious sites can help more than we’d think.
Some more questions to consider…
-What tactics will religious organizations and individuals use to stifle such a movement?
-Where might this sort of movement be more powerful, in the U.S. or in Europe? Are there countries where this has already happened, or where religion has no influence?
-What issues could unite this movement, and which issues could destroy it?
-Would you consider this movement already started but weak, already started but dead, or never started?
-How can groups of this movement raise money, and how can they both use and gather it?
-Would the first goal be at all possible, ever? Would it be possible to completely remove it from the government in the U.S. and European countries ever, or in our lifetimes?
-What other movements or groups that have been rejected by the Church can this movement ally itself with?
-What are some core values or ideals atheists or anti-religious people can agree on?
Let me know guys.
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March 1st, 2009 at 12:24 am - Edit
I'm no Monotheist nor am I an Atheist but today is the Brazilian Carnival, a largely Roman Catholic celebration in observance of Ash Wednesday. Here in the US our religious Bigots would never consider such an "immoral" festival to be a religious holiday but in Brazil there is nothing immoral about it.
So my question is this: Does the culture reflect the religion or does religion reflect the culture.
I do not consider Atheism to be some magic solution to the world’s problems. People can behave irrationally with or without religion. I have known many atheists in my life who have been capable of social injustice. One guy I knew in high school who by no means believed in a thing is now serving a life sentence for triple homicide. Ironically I would not be surprised if he is doing some level of soul searching while he spends the rest of his life in prison.
What lead him to murder was his abusive past and in our hyper masculine culture which promotes violence day in and day out it is easier to link this particular case of human suffering to promoted male violence than to religion in it of it’s self.
There are far more complex issues at hand to explain the many problems in the world and saying so many are distinctly created out of religious belief seems a little misguided.
My point is this: every time some person shouts out racist, sexist and homophobic religious bigotry (the kinds of things the lead to injustice) there is more going on than just religion.
If Atheists are to make their voices heard it is my opinion they should do it in a manner that does not bash anyone else’s set of beliefs, otherwise you are nothing more than a bigot.
Though we can identify that there are many problems associated with reading an antiquated book as a chronological of fact, the fact is that statistically speaking, people who are religious are generally happier and more satisfied with their life purpose. So you cannot ignore that little fact. Your job is simply to show that the atheist life can be a fulfilling one too and set an example for the rest of the world to see. Also if I were to ever lose everything as of now the largest organizations in the country which help the needy, are Christian organizations, so they are likely who I would turn to, not atheists. So, atheists need to reach out and help the needy just as the Christians do otherwise you wont gain a whole lot of followers in the end because you aren’t really proving how you are bettering the world.
October 13th, 2009 at 4:24 am - Edit
Need I remind you that millions upon millions have been slaughtered at the hands of professed atheists and/or proponents of Darwinism…not to mention those who made no claim to religious affiliation…ie, Stalin, Mao, Polpot, Hitler. And let’s not forget that your demanding the removal of religion from society while forcing your own world view of materialism is the very epitome of fascism. Not only are you in fact, a bastard (your title by the way), but you’re an ignorant one as well!
October 13th, 2009 at 8:50 pm - Edit
It never ceases to amaze me how some atheists are simply not satisfied to just NOT believe. 99% of the articles & books published by atheists appear as though they themselves are not secure in their own professed lack of belief. Its as if you must justify your position. Furthermore, I’ve heard many atheists lump the idea of God in with the likes of Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, and the Easter Bunny. Yet you don’t see hundreds of websites dedicated to the sole purpose of discrediting them. Thank God no atrocities have ever been committed according to the will of Saint Nic, the easter bunny, or the tooth fairy; otherwise you people would be advocating for the social expulsion of rabbits, fat bearded white men, and snaggle tooth kids.
If you don’t believe in God, then don’t. Either way, stop trying to make yourself feel better about it by attempting to marginalize or silence those who DO believe in God.
Its also important to mention that millions upon millions have been slaughtered at the hands of atheists and/or those who never claimed any religious affiliation, ie, Stalin, Mao, Polpot, Hussein, Hitler (I know you all like to quote Mein Kaumpf in an attempt to establish Hitler as a Christian, but history has shown that Hitlers was driven by whatever theory, practice, or belief best suited his psychotic purpose. Hitler would’ve expressed a belief in flying monkeys and the city of Oz had he felt he could use it to his advantage..by the way, there are also a number of quotes by Hitler denouncing religion and giving great creedence to Darwinian evolution.
Don’t get me wrong, I am fully aware of the atrocities carried out in Gods name throughout history…however, I am also aware of the good that’s been done in Gods name, which far outweighs the bad…..what has Atheism EVER done for the world besides sit on the bench and subjectively critisize religion simply because of a pre-determined bias to materialism?
October 15th, 2009 at 8:22 am - Edit
I hadn't expected you to make such a tiresomely often refuted argument, but perhaps you simply haven't been confronted by it's rejection before. Yes, millions have been slaughtered by atheists. So what? Millions have also been slaughtered by theists. The common analogy is: both Hitler and Stalin had mustaches. Should we therefore conclude that those with mustaches have a disposition to fascism?
The answer, of course, is no. Correlation is not causation, that is to say, the perceived correlation of atheism and fascism can not be equated with the perceived causation of fascism by atheism. And atheism can't formally be a causation of anything, as it is a single belief that provides no ethics – so atheism does not entail an ethical obligation to kill people if you are in power. (However, the fact that atheism provides no framework of ethical behaviour does not mean it excludes it. I have morals, and I am an atheist. There is no contradiction.)
I certainly agree that forcing a particular worldview on everyone is fascistic, and I do not propose such action in any way. In fact, I would oppose it vehemently. This is a relatively old article and I can't really be arsed to read it again to see what it proposes, but in my view, religion does not have to be removed from society. I would merely ask that decisions are based on reason and evidence, not divine revelation and faith. I would prefer religion to be something personal, not instituted and political. In other words: You can believe whatever you want, but if you want to postulate rules for the rest of society based on those beliefs, you had better make a reasoned and evidenced case for their veracity.
October 16th, 2009 at 11:53 pm - Edit
It is not about justification or insecurity in the lack of belief. It is about that religion is so intertwined in many modern societies and sitll dictates how they should be politically run that ultimately piss people off. What reason is there to actually look down upon homosexuals? None. They are no less difference than any other human being, and they should be given the same social rights as everybody else. Religious people would not agree with this, and they have no better reason than "because god says so". It is not about satisifaction, people will not be satisfied until religion driven out of the political arena completely, or even disappeared off the face of earth. Common reasons is that religion is just that, dogmatic, and it tries to say things about things it shouldn't say anything about, and that the religious people in turn use these things as justifications for in turn saying and do things they shouldn't, which really has no rational basis as to why they are doing so. As long religion exists in its current forms, it will be dogmatic, and thus, people will make domatic claims and try to apply these claims on things they shouldn't. This is what is very troubling, that a lot of religious people in a similar manner aren't satisfied by keeping their religion private, and that when expressing an opinion of disagreement, they simply put their fingers into their ears and start saying "lalala can't hear you". The issue ultimately then boils down into that non-religious feel that religious people step onto their toes. How would you feel to have mormons constantly knocking at your door, asking if you are interested in coverting because your life will be sooooooo much better if you do?
As for the analogy between god and the Easter Bunny, you have to understand that ultimately both are figments of our imagination. You may say that god's existence is very real, but what ACTUAL EVIDENCE do you have to show us? None. You cannot prove that god exists. If you draw the card that you've seen god perform miracles, I can as easily tackle it with that I've seen the Easter Bunny lay eggs in my backyard. How can you prove me not true? You can't. Yet, at the same time, you may doubt that the Easter Bunny really was laying eggs in my backyard, no matter how genuinely I believe it (a child certainly would). Why do you question the existence of the Easter Bunny but not the existence of god? If you replace my story about the Easter Bunny with god and someone told you that, would you believe it? Not really, no matter how genuinely it may have been told. This is how many non-religious view god, and it is also the only logically sound way to view such an existence, for the reasons I laid out above. You cannot prove god's existence, and the lack of evidence simply will not convince anyone, just like I cannot convince you that the Easter Bunny exists just by telling the story about it laying eggs in my backyard. If I could however provide you with the egg it laid, and a photo of how it looked like, I am pretty sure you would reevaluate your stance about the existence of the Easter Bunny, even though you may still remain skeptical. Similarly, Christians fail to provide actual scientific evidence in support of god (and how can they know it was the miracles perform by THEIR god and not some other god, say, the Hindu one?), so non-religious will remain unconvinced. Why should I believe you when you can't believe me?
And what exactly has religion done to humanity, more than providing with cultural artifacts? World peace? Improved the living standard in third world countries? Atheism isn't about criticizing religion and it has never been the driving goal. The problem is that you view atheism the same as if you would view religion; religion has a positive value, atheism doesn't. Atheism is the lack of something, it cannot thus provide with anything. If you are looking for people who were greatly inspired by their atheist views you won't find many. But similarily, how many people who claim to have done things in the name of religion actually did it because the religion motivated them? You will see that there are underlying ideas that actually control these things, and that religion is just a smoke screen. My teacher for example told me about his fieldwork on Java, where he studied the meaning of fasting. It turned out that while fasting may originally have been seen as a religious expression that imams and other religious leaders were very careful as expressing it so, underlying the idea of fasting was that of self-empowerment. That through fasting, that is, actually controlling your body, you could receive greater power of controlling other aspects of your life.
Ultimately religion isn't about religion, religion is an excuse for humans to reach empowerment.
June 9th, 2010 at 10:53 am - Edit
well, there are a lot of godd ideas floating around, many of which have been doing just that for many years, tangibly floating around and being used by many to highlight simple, focused views.
It is with a small amount of logic and a very open mind that ALL these ideas can be linked together.
June 9th, 2010 at 11:07 am - Edit
I am currently in process of designing an open group/religion with, albeit slightly wider reaching desires than appear on most sites or in most peoples common thinking and although differing from what appears to be an aim at challenging religion, I simply wish to provide a voice for the intelligent, curious, logical, reasoned person to openly debate an topic without fear of recrimination, prejudice or reprisal of any kind.
June 9th, 2010 at 11:08 am - Edit
Freedom of speech means just that – FREEDOM to speak. (admittedly this can be abused by all. some or none; but I believe that is more a moral argument than anything that should be adhered to in relation to religion. Afterall, religion was designed by the educated, manipulated by the powerful and used by the elite to hamper, hinder and deny humanity the right to question everythig and try to understand their environment/universe. Perhaps more attention to Darwinism shoul dbe paid when compiling a thought process of anti-religious thinking.
June 9th, 2010 at 11:08 am - Edit
I would be most interested in discussing points specifically and actually seeing how far a theory can be taken.
I reside in the UK and I can see quite an open society where the forums and people are simply waiting for the ability and chance to discuss. However, I am more interested in engaging Americans. This is in no small part due to the sheer extent of christianity and it's far reaching influence within America and some Americans (specifically southern states) in their sheer, sometimes blind, faith in something so illogical.
I should say that I do not mean to offend anybody along the way, although an open mind is not insulted, simple engaged
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