Comments on: An Anti-Religion/Atheist Movement: Discussion

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By: clive wilson

clive wilson — Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:36:21 +0000

Why do you keep on about Christianity? Surely you should be against all religeon.

By: religionbasher

religionbasher — Thu, 04 Nov 2010 20:54:13 +0000

i am an atheist. I would love to see this happen. I would love to see the archaic institution that is religion go down in the flames that they so fear. However, the simple fact is that any institution that is left unchecked becomes corrupt. If we as atheists were to start a "religion" as it were, my biggest fear would be becoming that which we hate.

By: sehakoziel

sehakoziel — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 10:47:33 +0000

Well written, and I agree 100%.

This 'threat' should not be taken lightly at all. The inquisitions were not some random chance events. They happened in more than one country, with the same goal in mind: 'force people to believe out of intense fear and control everything'. There was no darker period ever in the history of mankind.

And for all you christians posting:
Be aware of what your association to the _same_ religion that did these horrific events means. By choosing to be a part of a cult that you know raped, murdered, tortured, and assimilated _all_ in the name of your god, you have the same blood on your hands as did those inquisitors.

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By: MrFish

MrFish — Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:08:40 +0000

I would be most interested in discussing points specifically and actually seeing how far a theory can be taken.

I reside in the UK and I can see quite an open society where the forums and people are simply waiting for the ability and chance to discuss. However, I am more interested in engaging Americans. This is in no small part due to the sheer extent of christianity and it's far reaching influence within America and some Americans (specifically southern states) in their sheer, sometimes blind, faith in something so illogical.
I should say that I do not mean to offend anybody along the way, although an open mind is not insulted, simple engaged

By: MrFish

MrFish — Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:08:25 +0000

Freedom of speech means just that – FREEDOM to speak. (admittedly this can be abused by all. some or none; but I believe that is more a moral argument than anything that should be adhered to in relation to religion. Afterall, religion was designed by the educated, manipulated by the powerful and used by the elite to hamper, hinder and deny humanity the right to question everythig and try to understand their environment/universe. Perhaps more attention to Darwinism shoul dbe paid when compiling a thought process of anti-religious thinking.

By: MrFish

MrFish — Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:07:08 +0000

I am currently in process of designing an open group/religion with, albeit slightly wider reaching desires than appear on most sites or in most peoples common thinking and although differing from what appears to be an aim at challenging religion, I simply wish to provide a voice for the intelligent, curious, logical, reasoned person to openly debate an topic without fear of recrimination, prejudice or reprisal of any kind.

By: MrFish

MrFish — Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:53:51 +0000

well, there are a lot of godd ideas floating around, many of which have been doing just that for many years, tangibly floating around and being used by many to highlight simple, focused views.
It is with a small amount of logic and a very open mind that ALL these ideas can be linked together.

By: LeaT

LeaT — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:53:45 +0000

It is not about justification or insecurity in the lack of belief. It is about that religion is so intertwined in many modern societies and sitll dictates how they should be politically run that ultimately piss people off. What reason is there to actually look down upon homosexuals? None. They are no less difference than any other human being, and they should be given the same social rights as everybody else. Religious people would not agree with this, and they have no better reason than "because god says so". It is not about satisifaction, people will not be satisfied until religion driven out of the political arena completely, or even disappeared off the face of earth. Common reasons is that religion is just that, dogmatic, and it tries to say things about things it shouldn't say anything about, and that the religious people in turn use these things as justifications for in turn saying and do things they shouldn't, which really has no rational basis as to why they are doing so. As long religion exists in its current forms, it will be dogmatic, and thus, people will make domatic claims and try to apply these claims on things they shouldn't. This is what is very troubling, that a lot of religious people in a similar manner aren't satisfied by keeping their religion private, and that when expressing an opinion of disagreement, they simply put their fingers into their ears and start saying "lalala can't hear you". The issue ultimately then boils down into that non-religious feel that religious people step onto their toes. How would you feel to have mormons constantly knocking at your door, asking if you are interested in coverting because your life will be sooooooo much better if you do?

As for the analogy between god and the Easter Bunny, you have to understand that ultimately both are figments of our imagination. You may say that god's existence is very real, but what ACTUAL EVIDENCE do you have to show us? None. You cannot prove that god exists. If you draw the card that you've seen god perform miracles, I can as easily tackle it with that I've seen the Easter Bunny lay eggs in my backyard. How can you prove me not true? You can't. Yet, at the same time, you may doubt that the Easter Bunny really was laying eggs in my backyard, no matter how genuinely I believe it (a child certainly would). Why do you question the existence of the Easter Bunny but not the existence of god? If you replace my story about the Easter Bunny with god and someone told you that, would you believe it? Not really, no matter how genuinely it may have been told. This is how many non-religious view god, and it is also the only logically sound way to view such an existence, for the reasons I laid out above. You cannot prove god's existence, and the lack of evidence simply will not convince anyone, just like I cannot convince you that the Easter Bunny exists just by telling the story about it laying eggs in my backyard. If I could however provide you with the egg it laid, and a photo of how it looked like, I am pretty sure you would reevaluate your stance about the existence of the Easter Bunny, even though you may still remain skeptical. Similarly, Christians fail to provide actual scientific evidence in support of god (and how can they know it was the miracles perform by THEIR god and not some other god, say, the Hindu one?), so non-religious will remain unconvinced. Why should I believe you when you can't believe me?

And what exactly has religion done to humanity, more than providing with cultural artifacts? World peace? Improved the living standard in third world countries? Atheism isn't about criticizing religion and it has never been the driving goal. The problem is that you view atheism the same as if you would view religion; religion has a positive value, atheism doesn't. Atheism is the lack of something, it cannot thus provide with anything. If you are looking for people who were greatly inspired by their atheist views you won't find many. But similarily, how many people who claim to have done things in the name of religion actually did it because the religion motivated them? You will see that there are underlying ideas that actually control these things, and that religion is just a smoke screen. My teacher for example told me about his fieldwork on Java, where he studied the meaning of fasting. It turned out that while fasting may originally have been seen as a religious expression that imams and other religious leaders were very careful as expressing it so, underlying the idea of fasting was that of self-empowerment. That through fasting, that is, actually controlling your body, you could receive greater power of controlling other aspects of your life.

Ultimately religion isn't about religion, religion is an excuse for humans to reach empowerment.