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After July’s stream of brave confessions, the time has come to publish those that have been posted on the forums. These confessions have been made by truly antichristian people with great courage. Whether this bravery is sincere is up to you to decide.

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Well, one day too early but still…It’s time for another Roundup of the best journals posted to the ACP (recently)

And that’s all for today folks. There weren’t so many Journals this time as people seem to enjoy writing silly games about their 1000 track or what they ate for lunch yesterday (and then tagging everything with popular band names so that they spam for readers) instead of thinking.

Here’s to more good journals in the future.

A discussion has been ongoing for a while in the fora where the following question was raised:

The True Enemy

Institutional religion, or religion itself?

This is an interesting question, especially for a group calling themselves Antichristians. One would assume that the “Enemy” is the Christian religion but by judging from the replies of the members inside, this is not actually the case.

In the end, is there an enemy? I used to think so in the past but presently my thoughts on this are more fuzzy. Lets explore some common themes that Antichristians might consider as “the enemy”

Religion

Is religion, by itself, to be combated and eliminated? Most of us would answer an emphatic “No” to this question. A religion, by itself, is no more harmful than a delusion. Sure, you might believe you are talking to invisible pink unicorns that make you happy, or you might believe that your great Sky Daddy is always watching you take crap. These delusions by themselves however do not constitute a threat to anyone else other than the afflicted.

Sure, a problem might occur if these delusions lead a person to perform some kind of wrongdoing, like flying an airplane onto a skyscraper or ambush and murder a homosexual in a dark alley. These acts however will not be prevented by taking religion away. Like violent video games and actual violence, the link is usually a deeper issue, like a dementia on the part of the afflicted by the particular religion meme. Lacking religion, it is still quite probable that he might have done the same or similar crime, under another guise, like the aforementioned violent games.

The cure, then is not to take religion away, but rather to introduce checks in which the people that display this dangerous potential, might be caught.

Religion, by itself, is harmless. The real problem arises when it transforms into the more dangerous…

Organized Religion

Getting into details on all the problems that a religion creates when it gains organization and power will just derail this post so I’ll assume you are aware of them (If not, just research Scientology).

Should it be treated as an enemy though? Many would confirm and this is actually what I labeled as “the enemy” in the past myself and I still retain much of the same passion against it. However I cannot in all honesty label it as an enemy of mine. Sure, I despise the ridiculously corrupt ruling class of “holy men” who are granted authority and respect without doing anything to deserve it. Sure, I despise the political muscle that they wield to force whole nations to give them extra benefits than anyone else.

I do not fight them like an enemy however, for that is a lost cause. There is nothing that most of us can do to actively “fight” organized religion and acts like isolated offensives of church burnings and the like only serve to strengthen the resolve of their flock and grant them more power as their persecution complex is vindicated. For example, as much as I like and enjoy what Anonymous are doing, the more I see how hopeless it would be if the opposing religion was bigger and stronger.

An enemy like that, is an enemy you are bound to lose to and thus better not to declare as an enemy at all. Rather, you should strike at the weak point of this structure and the only place where you cannot be accused of being a bigot or a hate monger. This is the actual thing that I’ve realised is the true enemy of not only Antichristians but of Humanity as a whole.

Anti-Knowledge

Or ignorance if you like. Unfortunately that term has different meaning for different people. A Christian might accuse you for example of being ignorant of the “True meaning” of their religion.

Anti-Knowledge is a much more fitting term for what all religions are based on. The mentality that lack of knowledge (blind faith) in your drug of choice belief is a virtue. This is a very strong memetic trait of the same magnitude as children brainwashing that provides the religions that teach it with a large competitive advantage. Unfortunately, this ideology, not only serves to fill the ranks of the organized religions, but allows people to fall for any belief that “sounds right” to them.

The proverb “If you don’t believe in something, you’ll fall for anything.” (At times changed to “If you don’t believe in God, you’ll believe anything.”) only really applies to people who have had their mental immune system, AKA critical thinking, compromised. Unfortunately the percentage of people who are thus conditioned is large. And thus you observe people not leaving religion altogether but rather jumping from one to the other when they are not comfortable with the last. Just witness the quick rise of Islam in many countries, not only as a result of immigration but also because as a religion it has a larger competitive advantage than Christianity in the memetic war.

Not only that but the lower the education, the easier it is for this meme to replicate. It is very easy to discard what you never had and save yourself of the effort to educate yourself by grasping at the easy choice of believing what your authority figure tells you.

This is our true enemy. I have found that most of the time, the effort to convince someone that their beliefs are wrong is just too large. This is especially true if these beliefs have been their basis for all their life, like most major religions are to the less fortunate.On the other hand though, teaching people to embrace critical thinking and love of knowledge is usually a much easier task. As long as you take care to avoid their delusions, you can show them how greater knowledge will benefit them and why critical thinking can save them from scammers and other who would take advantage. Hopefully, when these two ideas have been implanted in them, they will eventually notice the gaping holes in their previous ideologies and slowly open their eyes.

A look at how people usually discard their delusions will quickly show you that, most often than not, it’s not arguments and rhetoric that change their mind but rather a long, difficult process of soul searching and questioning that they do themselves. Usually this begins once they are free of the groupthink in their previous communities (like, say, by going to college) and once they start thinking more.

It is thus no surprise that organized religions, along with totalitarian regimes, are perpetuators of ignorance. To them, Knowledge is anathema.

As antichristians, nay, as humans, it is imperative that we fight the true enemy, and not it’s symptoms.

It is a common theme, especially in regards to the Antichristian Phenomenon, that someone will take offense at our existence, the things we say, or the behaviour of some of our members. Many times have people left shouts at our shoutbox on how we’re burning in hell or some such. At some point we even had a troll join the group, sprout some nonsense and leave it again, which meant that we couldn’t ban him (Which was eventually the reason to turn the group into member-approved entry). That’s christian integrity for you.

It’s also been a while since I posted in the “Jesus Rocks” group where they implemented a rule to stop arguments between christians and non-christians. I only joined that christian group to reply to that thread. Thanks then to Last.fm’s reply tracker, I was notified that I had a new response today.

Since I am no longer a member of that group and nor do I wish to join to discuss that there, I was getting ready to reply in IM when I thought it would be better to reply through the ACP and perhaps have some actual dialogue in the process.

What follows is the reply I received and interjected are my responses to porkchop1234′s points:

db0 the problem isnt always from us as you seem to believe.

I suggest you check my profile and look into my forum posts and you will see for yourself a member of your group namely ISos has in the past trolled past threads when it came to debate over God and religeon. Of coarse when I went to the anti christian phenomenom forum the first thing I see is a posting in the main forum heading page saying this group takes no responsibility for the actions of its members. How quaint. Then in the shoutbox of your forum i see the comment from one of your members and i quote ‘ENOUGH TALK LETS GO BURN SOME CHURCHES’

First of all, I don’t see how Isos has trolled and I find it hard to believe that he has. Please provide evidence.

Secondly. Yes we cannot be held responsible for the members of our group. We are not an organization ffs and nor are we going to be stalking our members to see who behaves (even if we wanted to). If you have a problem with someone, take it out with himself, not with his groups. Do you hold his other groups responsible for his actions as well or is the ACP just a suitable target?

Furthermore, I find it strange that you mark a loosely knit group by the actions of its members. Does that mean that I should judge Christianity by the actions of pedophile priests, wife-beating husbands and born-agains? This is Great! I didn’t realize that discrediting Christianity would be so easy.

But of course it isn’t and you know it. Just as I cannot judge christianity solely on the actions of their few bad apples, other than say that christianity does not automatically make you a better person, so it is mistaken to judge the ACP by a few members that misbehave. Especially when we have a history or attacking idiotic behavior and reliefs, even within our ranks.

With stuff like that CAN YOU REALLY BLAME US for being suspicious of you and your members? I have just joined this forum and I dont approve of this rule AT ALL. I also point out that your forum shares part of the blame. There has been ATTACKS on christian forums by some of your members Ive seen it.

I don’t blame you for being suspicious. I just couldn’t care less. However If you judge someone from what you believe his affiliations mean instead of what they really stand for, then you are plainly ignorant.

As for attacks on christian forums, once again, provide evidence and we can discuss it. This being a forum, such a task should not be difficult.

If you really want open debate I suggest you learn to control some of your membership and kick out the trolls. You have a responsibility for the actions of your members just like the owners here have when it comes to their members.

Next….these are not my words people so dont get mad at me. Im sick and tired of seeing users from the anti christian phenomenom putting up posts where at the bottom they have crap like F God F Christ etc. You want to debate us STOP insulting our God and acting stupidly and maybe we will take you seriously.

I don’t care about people’s signatures insulting your senses. I don’t generally care on anyone’s feelings being insulted as you can see on the “On Respect:” series of mine. If you are so thin skinned that a signature makes you stop talking then you’re obviously not meant for dialogue and you’re better off having another hobby. I can guarantee you that some of our member arguments can make a two-line signature look like praise to God in comparison.

Furthermore, if you want to censor anti-religious signatures, are you for censoring anti-muslim, anti-hindu and andi-nordic ones as well (Fuck Odin!)? Should we censor, say, cartoons? How about books? Is this sinking in already or should I make it more clear?

As for holding our members responsible, see my reply above.

And finally dbo I have no reservations in defending my faith whatsoever. I have done so many times since Ive joined LastFm. In one of your past posts dbo you said we dont want people to think and know the truth. One thing I will tell you right now though is that GOD IS TRUTH. You want to reject that belief then the problem is yours not mine.

There see people me and dbo are debating God. And I have no complaints about it and I CAN hold my own against him. We all can. There is nothing to fear from these people.

Right then. I’m waiting for you to take on some of the articles in here.

You have probably seen the “Recent journals” part in the sidebar. This is an automated list of the things various members of the ACP write on their own Last.fm journals from time to time. Occasionally some of these are quite thought provoking and interesting but since they’re hidden within the last.fm structure, it’s difficult to find.

I’ve decided to do everyone a favour and then gather the best ones that were posted between the times I checked them and provide a link here. For this first roundup, I’m going far back in the ACP’s past and digging out all the interesting posts.

  • Metalmicky wishes us all a Happy Winter Solstice and explains how the Christmas tradition is a mash-up from earlier pagan celebrations and was created with the purpose of making the transition of Pagans to the Christian religion easier.
    Obviously this is something that most people who have studied history have known all along but it’s nice to state it again for the christians that are unaware (and there are many of them)
  • LeaTelamon explains to us what engative stereotypes for Metal exist and why he is different than you. This is quite a long post but interesting to take a view in a scene most people don’t experience. In the same vein, SpHaer also wants to explain What Metal is (to Him) and goes more into depth on the various aspects of it.
  • TheWiseDragon brings to us a Parable on Worrying. I don’t agree with what he says, mostly because I do not believe you should worry much about anything, for it does no one any good. However it might incite a discussion so I think it’s worth linking to.
  • Tsatthoggua explains what his group “Fuck you Christ” stands for and why he hates Christianity so much
  • The MetallicMadman, explains why the Metal Scene rules this world and how it was alwayd been the spearhead of progress in music
  • Out very own Anath, gives us a rundown on what constitues Good and Bad Music and why it is labeled as such.
  • For a bit of laug, Vortus gives us two comics, or rather one comic and an animated gif ;)
  • And finally, Gingerpip informs us of a little treat where his solo project, Final Coil, is giving away music for free. I will admit I haven’t listened to them but it may be worth checking it out if you have the time

Holy baby fucking Jeebus! Is it some kind of fascist’s mating season and all the slimy worms are coming out of the woodwork to display their “purity” and attract mates?

I mean, I knew it was a bad start when someone started a thread with the title “What about Jews then?” at the forum of the ACP, so we even put up a warning that we would not tolerate racism behaviour as A. It is plain wrong and B. it is against last.fm policies. We hoped that would be enough.

I mean, I ridicule the jewish religion as much as any other Abrahamic religion. Hell they even have less a leg to stand on since they don’t have the New Testament to fall back on as a proof of their “religion of peace”. Their whole fucking holy book is just a record of a whiny-arsed sociopathic God and the stories of his power hungry “chosen people” and their hillarious antics.

So yeah, not much respect there. Anyway, we had some initial discussion pretty much on the same vein (They’re not much worse than Xtians etc) but then the Conspiracy theories and anti-semitism started creeping up and things just went downhill from there.

It started with people attacking the ethnic group, something that was quickly smacked down by ACP regular, but then the really low scum started bobbing up. Just look at this beauty:

Awnsheghlien: I’m a racist and strong antisemit. The fall of White race is connected with christianity, and christianity is jewish religion. All is simple.

It is really difficult to understand how someone would admit to something like this in a day and age where everything is searchable. I just can’t wait until Arthur’s family and future employers get a sniff of his beliefs. Of course, his blatant racist dump only served as a steamy step for the other braindeads.

Daoi: Yes there is, I keep saying that and you ignore me because it’s not the truth you want… pathetic. I never said that the White is superior, although we do poses 3 extra intelligence genes (that blacks lack for instance). Every race is perfectly adapted for its environmen

This along comments supporting Eugenics, “Goals of Nature”, and Holocost denying (did I mention that he promotes the IHR as the true history?). The most amusing thing was his cries of persecution for his “Political Incorrectness” (You honestly have to laugh) from the American indoctrinated (he meant me – you should see my friend laugh when I told them that).

Now, I don’t know if it’s the Norsk Arysk Black Metal (Graaah) that draws these fucktards to join the ACP but it really gets me riled when they decide to spew their racist bile in the forum and hope that there are others out there like them. I’ve seen this before actually, not this blatantly of course but now and then some Fascist (always teenager of course) will come around, post some BS, get owned and never be heard from again.

It is disappointing however to see even this many of them. It really makes me wonder wtf their family has been teaching them (Of course I wonder that with any racist/fascist). I am especially interested why so many of them are drawn to Black Metal and how being fascist fits with being being an anti-theist. .

It just goes to show once again, that atheism has nothing explicit to do with a specific ideology. As a matter of fact, if you were to consider atheism a kind of ideology you would be very hard pressed to find anything unifying about us as you find us in all political and ideological spectrums. From Fascism to Communism and from Socialism to Objectivism, Atheists can be discovered. If it’s even possible you can discover pro-life atheists, (which in all honesty, took me quite as a surprise) but still, it just goes to show…

As for the racist pricks, well I guess I’ll keep making fun of them, especially when they promote eugenics and then accuse me of not understanding genetics because I don’t realize that black people are less intelligent than white because they are missing genes. How can I resist such powerful arguments

PS: A friend asked me “Is there a good case of racism?” so I thought I’d clarify. You should read the title as similar to “a bad case of the flu”