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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why Jesus was anointed with water instead of oil by a Prophet that was never recognized as a Prophet by the Jews. (He was a crazy man.)  
 
I assume you&#039;re referring to John the Baptist? First off...Annointment with water was not a new custom. This practice is mentioned more than once in the OT. Second...He did not have to be a prophet in order to anoint Christ. John the Baptist represented the 2nd coming of Elijah, as prophesied in the OT book of Malachi. Note: This does not refer to a literal reincarnation of Elijah, because the concept of reincarnation was foreign to the Jewish people. John the Baptist came &quot;In the Spirit of Elijah&quot;, which fulfilled the Jewish prophecy recorded in Malachi. This gave him all the authority needed to anoint Christ in water.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why Jesus was anointed with water instead of oil by a Prophet that was never recognized as a Prophet by the Jews. (He was a crazy man.)  </p>
<p>I assume you&#039;re referring to John the Baptist? First off&#8230;Annointment with water was not a new custom. This practice is mentioned more than once in the OT. Second&#8230;He did not have to be a prophet in order to anoint Christ. John the Baptist represented the 2nd coming of Elijah, as prophesied in the OT book of Malachi. Note: This does not refer to a literal reincarnation of Elijah, because the concept of reincarnation was foreign to the Jewish people. John the Baptist came &quot;In the Spirit of Elijah&quot;, which fulfilled the Jewish prophecy recorded in Malachi. This gave him all the authority needed to anoint Christ in water.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why Satan/Lucifer calls himself Morning Star in Isaiah and then Jesus calls himself by the same name in Revelations&quot;  
 
The term &quot;Lucifer&quot; appears ONLY once in the Bible... in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, &quot;How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations&quot;  
 
In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference.  
 
Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: &quot;I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.&quot;  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Why Satan/Lucifer calls himself Morning Star in Isaiah and then Jesus calls himself by the same name in Revelations&quot;  </p>
<p>The term &quot;Lucifer&quot; appears ONLY once in the Bible&#8230; in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, &quot;How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations&quot;  </p>
<p>In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference.  </p>
<p>Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: &quot;I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EXfundi - Below are the responses to each of your claims....The two genealogies of Christ in the Gospels that do not match up. If it is God inspired, how could God make a mistake like that? 
 
Each Gospel present Christ in a different light...King, Man, Priest, Messiah....The Gospel of Matthew establishes the kingship line of Christ through David... 
 
Christ was a Levitical priest, which required a biological bloodline, therefore Luke establishes the priestly line through Heli. The Jewish Talmud shows that Joseph was the son-in-law of Heli. Joseph&#039;s father was Jacob. It was customary to refer to a son-in-law as a son in the first century. So Luke&#039;s statement was culturally correct.  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EXfundi &#8211; Below are the responses to each of your claims&#8230;.The two genealogies of Christ in the Gospels that do not match up. If it is God inspired, how could God make a mistake like that? </p>
<p>Each Gospel present Christ in a different light&#8230;King, Man, Priest, Messiah&#8230;.The Gospel of Matthew establishes the kingship line of Christ through David&#8230; </p>
<p>Christ was a Levitical priest, which required a biological bloodline, therefore Luke establishes the priestly line through Heli. The Jewish Talmud shows that Joseph was the son-in-law of Heli. Joseph&#039;s father was Jacob. It was customary to refer to a son-in-law as a son in the first century. So Luke&#039;s statement was culturally correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its also important to point out that Zeitgeist and The Christ Conspiracy both mention the similarities between Christs birth of December 25th and several mystery Gods supposedly born on the same date. This alone shows a complete lack of understanding where the Bible is concerned. Nowhere in Scripture does it state that Christ was born on December 25th. Truth be known, according to the Bible, Jesus was born on September 19th (according to our current calendar), during the feast of tablernacles. I will be happy to explain this if you want clarification.   
 
I have no issue with people questioning anything...But you cant claim that something is a lie by attempting to refute it with another lie.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its also important to point out that Zeitgeist and The Christ Conspiracy both mention the similarities between Christs birth of December 25th and several mystery Gods supposedly born on the same date. This alone shows a complete lack of understanding where the Bible is concerned. Nowhere in Scripture does it state that Christ was born on December 25th. Truth be known, according to the Bible, Jesus was born on September 19th (according to our current calendar), during the feast of tablernacles. I will be happy to explain this if you want clarification.   </p>
<p>I have no issue with people questioning anything&#8230;But you cant claim that something is a lie by attempting to refute it with another lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2). Dionysus - Contrary to Zeitgeist and many others...Dionysus was not born to a virgin; his mother was a mortal (Semele, daughter of Cadmus), and his father was Zeus. We know that Zeus had other male children so Dionysus is also not his &quot;only begotten son&quot; . Similar to the story of Attis, Dionysus died each winter and was resurrected in the spring. Again, this is hardly December, much less the 25th of said month. Now to be totally honest, Dionysus DID perform miracles involving wine. However this is because he was the god of wine -- naturally he could turn water into wine....There is also no mention what-so-ever of him being referred to as &quot;King of Kings&quot;, &quot;Lord of Lords&quot;, or &quot;Alpha and Omega&quot;. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2). Dionysus &#8211; Contrary to Zeitgeist and many others&#8230;Dionysus was not born to a virgin; his mother was a mortal (Semele, daughter of Cadmus), and his father was Zeus. We know that Zeus had other male children so Dionysus is also not his &quot;only begotten son&quot; . Similar to the story of Attis, Dionysus died each winter and was resurrected in the spring. Again, this is hardly December, much less the 25th of said month. Now to be totally honest, Dionysus DID perform miracles involving wine. However this is because he was the god of wine &#8212; naturally he could turn water into wine&#8230;.There is also no mention what-so-ever of him being referred to as &quot;King of Kings&quot;, &quot;Lord of Lords&quot;, or &quot;Alpha and Omega&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, LeaT...There may be similarities between the many deities from that time...The problem however is that none of them bear any similarities to Christ; although they are portayed that way by many bloggers on the net....Not to mention the people who made Zeitgeist as well as acharya s....Exfundi specifically mentions two mystery gods.....I will have to break this down into two responses so bear with me... 
 
1). Osiris...The story of Osiris bears no resemblance to Christ...Osiris was killed by his brother, Typhon (Seth), who put Osiris in a perfectly sized coffin and threw it into the Nile River.  The coffin traveled across the sea to Byblos, where Isis, who had been continually searching for her husband, finally located it. She returns the body to Egypt where Seth discovers it, cuts the corpse into pieces, and scatters them throughout the country. Isis transforms herself into a kite, and with her sister Nephthys, searches for and finds all the pieces (except the male member, which she replicates), reconstitutes the body, and before embalming to give Osiris eternal life, she revivifies it, couples with it, and thus conceives Horus. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, LeaT&#8230;There may be similarities between the many deities from that time&#8230;The problem however is that none of them bear any similarities to Christ; although they are portayed that way by many bloggers on the net&#8230;.Not to mention the people who made Zeitgeist as well as acharya s&#8230;.Exfundi specifically mentions two mystery gods&#8230;..I will have to break this down into two responses so bear with me&#8230; </p>
<p>1). Osiris&#8230;The story of Osiris bears no resemblance to Christ&#8230;Osiris was killed by his brother, Typhon (Seth), who put Osiris in a perfectly sized coffin and threw it into the Nile River.  The coffin traveled across the sea to Byblos, where Isis, who had been continually searching for her husband, finally located it. She returns the body to Egypt where Seth discovers it, cuts the corpse into pieces, and scatters them throughout the country. Isis transforms herself into a kite, and with her sister Nephthys, searches for and finds all the pieces (except the male member, which she replicates), reconstitutes the body, and before embalming to give Osiris eternal life, she revivifies it, couples with it, and thus conceives Horus.</p>
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		<title>By: LeaT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there very well are too many similarities between many deities from that time to shrug them off. I think many of those ideas may have crystallized themselves into Jesus, and I don&#039;t really see anything wrong with that belief or make you necessarily follow the ideas presented in Zeitgeist. The point with Zeitgeist was to do one thing: make you start asking questions, which it very well managed to do.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there very well are too many similarities between many deities from that time to shrug them off. I think many of those ideas may have crystallized themselves into Jesus, and I don&#039;t really see anything wrong with that belief or make you necessarily follow the ideas presented in Zeitgeist. The point with Zeitgeist was to do one thing: make you start asking questions, which it very well managed to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exfundi -

With all due respect, you don&#039;t know much about scripture....I will be more than happy to refute every single one of your ridiculous claims...ie, the OT &amp; NT lineages of Christ aren&#039;t the same, and so on...

And you need to either quit watching the Zeitgeist crap on youtube, or stop reading books by Acharya S, (The company that publishes her books also publish books about the lochness monster, Big Foot, and the lost city of Atlantis).A cursory review of the mystery religions will easily prove there is NO correlation between Christ and any of the mythological gods.</description>
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<p>With all due respect, you don&#8217;t know much about scripture&#8230;.I will be more than happy to refute every single one of your ridiculous claims&#8230;ie, the OT &amp; NT lineages of Christ aren&#8217;t the same, and so on&#8230;</p>
<p>And you need to either quit watching the Zeitgeist crap on youtube, or stop reading books by Acharya S, (The company that publishes her books also publish books about the lochness monster, Big Foot, and the lost city of Atlantis).A cursory review of the mystery religions will easily prove there is NO correlation between Christ and any of the mythological gods.</p>
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		<dc:creator>domain names</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ LeaT, I think it&#039;s a bit harsh to brand many Christians as non-listeners, everyone has different ways of dealing with things. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ LeaT, I think it&#039;s a bit harsh to brand many Christians as non-listeners, everyone has different ways of dealing with things.</p>
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		<title>By: LeaT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exfundi, I am sincerely glad for you that you are here you are today, and that you dare doubting :) Anath, Cleric, Waldheri and I at least, actively participate on different message boards and debate Christians. Often, we bring up such fallacious concepts as why the biblical god cannot be omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent at the same time and do quote examples from the bible itself. the problem is for many Christians that they don&#039;t listen. They try to weasel out by making mental leaps, such as those errors are simply considered errors because the human mind cannot fully comprehend god. If we can&#039;t, so can&#039;t they, but then they say they got faith and they know god in their hearts so it does not apply to them etc... Sometimes it works, most often not. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exfundi, I am sincerely glad for you that you are here you are today, and that you dare doubting <img src='http://www.antichristian-phenomenon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Anath, Cleric, Waldheri and I at least, actively participate on different message boards and debate Christians. Often, we bring up such fallacious concepts as why the biblical god cannot be omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent at the same time and do quote examples from the bible itself. the problem is for many Christians that they don&#039;t listen. They try to weasel out by making mental leaps, such as those errors are simply considered errors because the human mind cannot fully comprehend god. If we can&#039;t, so can&#039;t they, but then they say they got faith and they know god in their hearts so it does not apply to them etc&#8230; Sometimes it works, most often not.</p>
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