Here’s the text from a book called The Anarchists which explains a lot of the background.
http://www.ditext.com/joll/1.html

Ironically, you’ll find lots of religious references in the entry on Communism in the Catholic Encyclopedia. It was written in 1910, so they didn’t have this urge to blame it on Atheism yet. Though nothing on Münzer, it’s a fairly thorough entry.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04179a.htm

To clarify, DeepThought has 4 kids in a silly argument he had with dbO where he accused him for being a indoctrinated Christian and does not teach them anything else than for example, the Creation Myth about Adam and Eve.

Actually what I did say was that I doubted homeschooling would teach kids in depth on all kinds of science and I still believe that. No matter how smart the parent is he will certainly not be an expert on anything from mathematics, to chemistry, to history, to linguistics, to politics. Not to mention the teaching of evolution as a lie due to religious beliefs. In effect, I consider homeschooling as a form of child abuse. Same as with leaving your child illiterate. Anyway, I’m rambling off again…

Poor dbO, he should learn when to leave a discussion early before it is getting totally out of hand

I need to train myself to recognise hopeless cases

To clarify, DeepThought has 4 kids in a silly argument he had with dbO where he accused him for being a indoctrinated Christian and does not teach them anything else than for example, the Creation Myth about Adam and Eve. I have also checked his homepage but you see, maybe you didn’t read that far back as I did but he IS a scholar on a matter. Maybe it was you or maybe it was someone else, I cannot remember but anyway, he accused someone for not have “studied” it as much as he had because he was teaching the subject and also refered to the “I would have asked if you had been paying attention?” as in referring to a student if he/she had listened to anything at all. If a remember, he claimed to be teaching on the matter but right now I am frankly too lazy to go back and see if that is the case or not, neither isn’t it a very important matter either but I reacted strongly towards it and I also mentioned it in my initial post so either I completely misread/misunderstood or that must be the case.

However, I understand why he wasn’t rational and the he did a lot of strawmen while on the other hand… it is strange a lot of Christians tend to do this. I checked a thread on the last.fm forums, ended the same way. Poor dbO, he should learn when to leave a discussion early before it is getting totally out of hand

And agreed that Atheism would make people strive towards certain ideologies when it is indeed not the case at all. While faith or lack thereof can be intergrated into one’s ideology it is NOT an ideology alone.

By the way your clarification confused me as I cant recall -or see- who claimed to have 4 kids(?) and in spite of what. About “DeepThought”: his web address is somewhere (may be in his signature link) -If you don’t have seen yet- There, in his web, you could see his “interests in Theology” which he tried to reflect in some posts though one cannot say if he is really a _scholar_ on the matter. I hope he isn’t for the sake of culture and education. I hope also you have read the “original” discussion for realizing why most people decided he wasn’t rationally responsible in his posts and therefore somebody who doesn’t deserved to be treated respectfully. [Respect in the kantian meaning]

On the subject that atheism strives in communistic or Nazi approaches of life, well, the fallacy speaks for itself.
Regards.

First of all, Deep Thought is a huge Anti-Communist (anti’s some other things, pro’s of others as well, some of them I totally think are way out of the window and part what I’d say is indoctrinated teachings of how a society SHOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE 2000 YEARS AGO but that’s a WHOLE ANOTHER STORY ALLTOGETHER) and he made it clear to some point in his points I think. What he however failed to see that was that neither DbO and NMT were for or against Communism but simply argumented why Communism shouldn’t really be included as a Atheist ideology. To this point I think they were right because as Marx said, it is ABOVE religion, history, politics. It doesn’t want to get rid of it, it wants to be something better than it. However, Deep Thought took this argument as a laughable matter because he chose to personally interpret the text as something which meant the abolishment of, not transcendence of. That comes to my other conclusion about the argumentation involved. Personal interpretation. This is by far nothing we can help as everyone is inclined to believe or interpret a text of how they see fit because you are the one you are, not someone else. It totally makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is when you see a person trying to explain to you why you misinterpreted his or her text wrong and then start laughing at his or her “vain attempts” to cover up his or her lack of rhetorical skills. That is a complete sign of ignorance to me.

Another question which bothered me deeply regarding the whole argumentation going on here was the favoritism for small details which detached from the coherent meaning it was included are loosing their main standpoints. It was used by both sides just as actively I should say. While small details indeed make up for a bigger whole it doesn’t necessarily mean it means the same while standing all alone by itself.

Although I can maybe happily conclude that, while the argumentation was getting quite nasty at some points, even more so from a person who claims to have 4 kids and be a scholar teaching at a university it is possible at the end of the day for everyone to behave just as immature no matter if you are a Jew, Satanist, Christian or Atheist. I just, least to say, find the tone which was used a a time as quite shocking when this person also claimed to be a scholar teaching in those very areas on a university. Would such a manner be seen as accepted towards his students when they show maybe a similar behavior as DbO did? No, of course it wouldn’t. It just happened to be a message board and I truly believe that people tend to show themselves for the worse because of the anonymity here. No matter how enraged you become over such fallable arguments it doesn’t at the end of the day ruin your life as much as maybe it would if it turned out that the person happened to live next door and happily states one of those arguments everytime you happened to see each other.

I totally understand DbO’s initial post though. Just because you have yourself no empirical evidences to support such claims because you obviously don’t take part of that very part of the society doesn’t mean that his argument is less valid becuase you have yourself never experienced such a thing. That is of course also logical that say, if you are something adhering to certain thoughts and ideas, of course you would naturally hang out with people with the similar mind set like you? Does this automatically make everyone as good as you or the people you know from that group or organization in a “love thy neighbor” way? No, of course it wouldn’t. We can picknick various (in)famous (anti)religious organizations from all over the world not adhering to this idea. It doesn’t say they don’t exist because you have never come in contact with them though. You see, that’s the main problem between a Christian (or any other type of believer which rather adheres to a religion than a belief system alone) because we (Atheists) often get more of those than you ever will and why should they in any way treat you wrong? You are like them, of course they like you just like you like them back. It doesn’t mean they like or love everyone (included every single person on this earth) but some people seriously have troubles when it comes to behaving more than others.

I have to say generally though, I have seldom met a believer (Christian) that can argue for his or her sake in a sensical manner actually proving a point without in any whatsoever way feeling his or her religion is being attacked because a person (non-believer) asks questions about their beliefs and questions it in a very much understandable way. If you want to see perfect examples of stupid Christians? Look up the IMDB forum for the Golden Compass. That forum is more than anything a proof why we (non-believers) in general wish to have no further contact with most believers. I am disregarding the fact that a lot of the discussions going on are not related to the movie at all but rather pointing it as a fact of how stupid a Christian can act like just because he/she can just like an Atheist can. Of course there is always an Atheist who arises once in a while giving other Atheists bad names because they try to prosetylize Christians in a similar manner but I would say they are fewer than the Christians trying to doing the very same towards us non-believers. There is no doctrine or teaching or need for an Atheist to somehow spread their words to fellow citizens regarding their truth; it is then mostly stated as a debatable opinion and should be seen as such, no true indoctrination in that case. However, Christians tend to use this Hell-thing towards us non-believers all the time as a tool to scare us with and telling us things like if you don’t believe you are going to burn in Hell although totally rejecting the thought that if you do not believe in a book which speaks for their religion than you can neither believe anything written in it exluding all those doodles about Eternal Hellfire. Once again saying Atheists aren’t the same but at least they don’t come and knock at people’s doors (yet).

So to finish it off, with proof of MY empirical evidence, Christians are often a closed case when they are stuck in circles trying to teach peple about something they do not believe in the first place and might have done so a long time ago but feels it do not adhere to them and their personal beliefs any longer and thus can no longer see it as a universal truth. Anyway, I thought it was quite clear and apparent at the end of it that the universal anwer for Life and Everything was 42.

This one-sided discussion was very refreshing for me as I am now pretty convinced that Christianity deserve the same respect as any other poisonous drugs.  Specially with this specimens speaking about the suffering in U.R.S.S. while most natives, including old and young Serbians, detest deeply their new  free-merchandised-and-miserable-life.

It is really shameful for me have been extending this for so long time. As far as I am concerned, this chapter is happily finished as the specimen in question doesn’t know how to argue either.