The Antichristian Phenomenon

Just saw the movie and yes it struck me too. It should be seen by everybody. The evil in this religion is alarmous but learning the fact that Muslims are tought to lie is the limit for me. The danger is far more present than most of us know or even can imagine.

I take your point, but given how self-contradictory the Bible is, I bet you could find at least one verse (maybe more) that could be stretched or twisted or otherwise manipulated to support “lying for Jesus”. I also bet a lot of liberal/moderate Muslims would say that the verse telling Muslims to lie has been stretched or manipulated to say that.

That being said, I believe Muslims (and Christians) ought to go one step further than simply denouncing these verses and just cut them out altogether. They serve no purpose except to cause conflicts and repression and violence.

For those link-shy, there’s approx. 1.2 billion (with a B) muslims and 1.1 billion catholics. There are more total christians (although according to the vatican, non-catholics aren’t true christians) worldwide, but muslims now comprise the single largest religious denomination in the world. Hard to say how “hardcore” any of these muslims are (the few muslims I’ve known have been rather extreme) but even if only a small percentage approve of taqiyya or kitman that’s far too many. It’s hard to say whether christians are really any better when most seem to do as they please and work out their sins with semantics later, but a sort of scriptural loophole could certainly allow for far more rationalized premeditation, whether of lie or deed.

if you dont really understand it, its best to just keep quite. dont judge a religion because of its people, but judge it by doing the research on the
religion itself. i was quite amuse by people who tend to get easily inluence by todays media or cheap gossips like this.
dont include any url but provide evidence from the quran it self and which verse.

but the sad fact is,it is the muslims today (i meant the 50/50 muslims, why
50 50 because these are the people that do not practice Islam as a whole or probably just faking to be one.)
tend to not reflect of what a true muslim
should be which is why many non-muslims tend to misunderstood thinking perhaps it is wat being taught in Islam where by right is not.
but still…even if i give the most hardcore evidence of the right truth about islam, but if ur mindset has already set
a negative thoughts on it, wat can i say eh..so..its best if u search the answer yourself..but make sure it is original qualified truth.
anyway…diferent pipol have different views, we all have brains, what makes it different is the way we generate our brain to think.

OK I'll play along … and what should a "true Muslim" be?

Please try and respond in English next time, so that we can all understand what you are trying to say.

oops…sorry..i taught i did say it in english..maybe its in broken english..forgive me..
anyway…humans are not perfect..and whats more of the increase amount of varieties of negative
influences today in our world..(it will be greater influences for the muSLim for have rules need to be follow)
and despite this, for certain muslims, that their 'IMAN' are a bit shaky…it is wen they tend to commit such sins
im not really well versed but i will try to tell what i know
a true muslims are people that stays in the right path of what the religion had taught them
to do and what not to do.and this is based on the holy Quran and 'sunnah'
yes..u may commit sins either purposely or accidently
if so..that will be between u n God in gaining his forgiveness

i will try to make short and precise
'IMAN' (pronounce as ee-man) here refers to the belief in every muslim that Allah exists and everything that He says is true
thus..it is compulsory for every Muslims to hold on to this 'IMAN'
once if they commit of going out from being a Muslim..they will be non-Muslim
and their IMAN has gone.
in short, a true Muslims are those who stays on taking care of their IMAN and resembles what the religion taught them todo
but it doesnt mean that muslims who sometimes commit sins are labelled as NOT A TRUE musLim
this is because as long as they have their IMAN, they are still a Muslim
it is just that, sometimes,i must agree that muslims may do something that does not at all
resemble what Islam has taught them to do
'just because a drop of ink in a glass of water, the whole water is contimated' (i hope u got the meaning)
which is why, its not fair to just judge the religion,by only seeing it on the surface
u have to dig into it to find the root of the problem
like i said, im not yet well versed of Islam and im still learning
any lack of info i apologize

Oh, no, I'm not convinced yet. Trolls retaliate, this one keeps holding on to the faith. I think our visitor is a genuine Muslim, who is welcome imho.

There's a difference between a religion and what people are telling you about it. If you read the Quran, you'll notice there's nothing like a "true Muslim". Unbelievers are either forgiven or killed, depending on the verse you're reading. Even by fulfilling Islam and Iman, you're still not there yet. You'll have to live by the faith, too. I believe that's called Ahsan, forgive me if I'm wrong. Anyway, what I'm getting at is that we do know about your religion, but we're pointing out flaws and weaknesses in the Islamic belief system. If you want to convince people of your ideas, argue against the points brought forward by the article(s).

im sorry of my poor level of english..
i do admit my compentancy in english is kinda bad
but i think there are some people who understood it
if not, there would not be any critics on what ive posted..aren't they?
nah..im not into cheap publicity here
im just interested to know what others think and their opinion
and beside i just came about of posting some of my thoughts on the article the other day
and didnt expect any reply in return
nothing harm from this unknown 'troll'.. ~~,
..btw thanks for reminding me about the language tho
ill try to improve it

Lu, I would first ask you not to use shortcuts like "u" instead of "you" on a comment box. There's no lack of space or time and it just makes you look like a 13 year old because it's so annoying to read. Now…

u have to dig into it to find the root of the problem

The root of the problem in Islam, like all other religions is their Holy Book(s) themselves. It's their open ended nation, their contradictions, their literal support for condemnable things etc. Others read the book literaly, others, like you, metaphorically. No one can say which way is right but the fundamentalists have their book on their side while the liberal readers have only excuses and interpretations.

The root of the problem IS the Quran (and the Hadith)

hmm..
i see..
so you say the problem is Quran and Hadith..
hmm..tell me
how did the scientists discovered all the theories and all?
i mean..did they just got the answers regarding what is happening around us straight away
if Issac Newton was a literaly person, he probably wont be able to
discover whats behind the fall of the apple from the tree would it?
even poem made by shakespeare also required a person to read between the lines so
that we get the exact meaning
if not, we would misunderstood of what he was saying
thats what our brains are for…to think.
even in our daily life, we will encounter such condition.let say;
if we want to aknowledge a person for he had done something wrong
but we do not want to hurts his feelings,
so we will arrange sentences that may not be straight forward but he will be able to get the meaning
but if he does not, thats what require us to ask if we do not understand something

Of course I wonder. That is why I subscribe to science journals and read philosophy. The answers I have found thus far have pointed AWAY from religion, not toward it.

'The answers I have found thus far have pointed AWAY from religion, not toward it. '

the best word i would put here is 'secularism'.
it is the separation of religious aspects from material aspects and
its concerns on what is here and now..
if you refer back to the history which i will just summarize it here,
secular in other words means to separate from the state,
but state at that time were under the govern of the church..
the church can decide on anything,they have the authority,power
people were to obey watever had been stated by the Church..
but then, scientific movement began to came out
to fight againts the church…
the renaissance where the rebirth of knowledge occured..
people started to discover things and take things (knowledge) seriously.
but..the church did not approve of such matter
for instance:
according to the church
they believe that the earth is the center
but Galileo says the other way…
thus, the church became the enemy of Science
n Science is rejecting Church because it hinders to advance

yes..for some people =)
thats the way they enjoy it,so its ok then.
people have their own ways yes?.
but for me
i would not only like to see a beautiful garden..
but also admiring the Creator that create such beautiful flowers
that grows in the garden..
to show my appreciation towards Him..
that i appreciates such creations
just like the way im enjoying a delicious cake,
and say thank you to my mother for baking it
for i appreciate her afford of baking it for me.

the Quran in contrast,has been preserved in such a manner that there has not
been the slightest change,not even to the extent of a letter or a dot. hence if we want to know the real teachings of christianity, we must look for them in the Quran'

(in the book entitled George Bernard Shaw and the Islamic Scholar.text and commentary of their historic conversation in 1935
pulished by Masjid Dar al-Quran, 1514 East Third Avenue. Bayshore, New York 11706, commentary and editing by Imran N. Hosein)

Well, your texts are just an eyesore to me, it's very hard to get what you are saying but heads up, keep trying. Nothing wrong with it. You might want to attend some lessons where people can properly teach you though, I think you might need that.

I am sorry of I assumed you to be a troll, it's just that we got a lot of those people here, they come, assume they are faithful, try to get an angry response from us, leave. Seen it all too often, it's hard to see whether they are genuine or not. Most often they use our responses as a proof of our "satanistic" leanings and others silly conclusions they have about antichristians and nonbelievers.

'Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" – Douglas Adams '

its more than fairies my friend,
its like;
yes,i see a beautiful garden, how lucky to have such garden, but its ok, at least i have a pot of flowers, for there are some people who not only never witness the beauty of a garden let alone to have a pot of flowers.

would it be happier if everyone get to see that a garden is beautiful and dicover that there are not only fairies at the bottom of it

yes,i agree, i do need to improve myself.

and please, dont get me wrong,
i respect your belief, and i hope u respect mine too.
please dont get me wrong,
i have no intention of condemming you or your friends,
or in what u believe in, im sorry if i sound like one.
i understand how you feel, cause thats how i felt when i read the article (the first article that makes me posted my comment ) which for me, its not true,
but perhaps for you and your friends believe
its true.
so i guess, everyone wants to stand up and protect their stand.
im sorry if my texts are an eyesore to you, cause
its just one of my way of protecting in what i believe in.
cause i love my religion, so its normal for protecting someone you love right.
again, im sorry for intruding and sound as if im critisizing
your beliefs.all this while i am actually more on defending my religion,nothing harm to putting down your beliefs
i respect in whatever you believe in.

but thanx for spending your time reading my comment and
give some critiques on it, ill take it positively.

I am not actually generalizing here. I'm more of condemning Muslims who adhere to a religion that promotes lying (among other things) and express what my position will be. Consider it like this, if you met someone who has a religion which promotes lying for ones own interests as the best attitude, would you trust this person? Would you trust this person if he tells you that yes, he still follows that religion but ignores the "lying" part?

Don’t mind being accused Muslims on this however whenever you are accusing somebody you need to come with clear evidence to proof your points. None of that have been found on this clip. If I am Anti-Christian and gather some people against Christian teachings to make a video. It would be naive to take it as a true. But if I open minded would do a lot of un-biased research on this topic and I hope you all do the same.