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	<title>Comments on: Moore vs. Creationism</title>
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	<description>Behold, Bastard son! We are the evil ones.</description>
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		<title>By: LeaT</title>
		<link>http://www.antichristian-phenomenon.com/jorrizza/moore-vs-creationism/comment-page-1#comment-1673</link>
		<dc:creator>LeaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are however also examples of mind --&gt; body changes which support the notion that the mind can also influence the body, giving the mind more status than a mere process run on the brain&#039;s hardware.&quot; 
 
Actually, there is even the extreme example of people suffering from DID being allergic to one thing as one persona but not allergic as the other. This phonomenon cannot be properly explained at all, obviously. I think the example in question regarded bee stings and logically thinking one would assume that since both personas are hosted by the same body biological functions would not change. </description>
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<p>Actually, there is even the extreme example of people suffering from DID being allergic to one thing as one persona but not allergic as the other. This phonomenon cannot be properly explained at all, obviously. I think the example in question regarded bee stings and logically thinking one would assume that since both personas are hosted by the same body biological functions would not change.</p>
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		<title>By: jorrizza</title>
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		<dc:creator>jorrizza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry if I wasn&#039;t that clear, but this article questions dualism itself. So there is no influence one way or the other, since it&#039;s all the same (physical) entity anyway. Expressing this in technical terms you could say that the brain is the Turing machine, and the mind is the state. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m sorry if I wasn&#039;t that clear, but this article questions dualism itself. So there is no influence one way or the other, since it&#039;s all the same (physical) entity anyway. Expressing this in technical terms you could say that the brain is the Turing machine, and the mind is the state.</p>
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		<title>By: Waldheri</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. The neurosciences are ankering the mind very much to the brain. There are many simple examples to show that the mind is very much influenced by the material body, such as cognitive changes after the consumption of drugs and more direct brain trauma resulting in all kinds of cognitive and/or psychological changes. All of these are body --&gt; mind changes which do indeed support the notion that the mind, in the very least, is influenced by the body.  
 
Your article seems to suggest this influence is a one-way road. There are however also examples of mind --&gt; body changes which support the notion that the mind can also influence the body, giving the mind more status than a mere process run on the brain&#039;s hardware. Examples of these are placebo/nocebo effects and the ability of Buddhist monks trained in meditation to change the physiology of the brain while meditating (different brainwave patterns emerged during studies).  
 
For me, the jury is still out concerning the mind/body connection, but Cartesian dualism is an extreme I&#039;ve scratched off my list. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. The neurosciences are ankering the mind very much to the brain. There are many simple examples to show that the mind is very much influenced by the material body, such as cognitive changes after the consumption of drugs and more direct brain trauma resulting in all kinds of cognitive and/or psychological changes. All of these are body &#8211;&gt; mind changes which do indeed support the notion that the mind, in the very least, is influenced by the body.  </p>
<p>Your article seems to suggest this influence is a one-way road. There are however also examples of mind &#8211;&gt; body changes which support the notion that the mind can also influence the body, giving the mind more status than a mere process run on the brain&#039;s hardware. Examples of these are placebo/nocebo effects and the ability of Buddhist monks trained in meditation to change the physiology of the brain while meditating (different brainwave patterns emerged during studies).  </p>
<p>For me, the jury is still out concerning the mind/body connection, but Cartesian dualism is an extreme I&#039;ve scratched off my list.</p>
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		<title>By: LeaT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disregard this comment, maybe we should try to keep the discussion at one place. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disregard this comment, maybe we should try to keep the discussion at one place.</p>
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		<title>By: LeaT</title>
		<link>http://www.antichristian-phenomenon.com/jorrizza/moore-vs-creationism/comment-page-1#comment-1655</link>
		<dc:creator>LeaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny you mention this Jorrizza, because I was partially touching the same topic in my own article which I will revamp because Waldheri made me realize it wasn&#039;t very cohesive and there were a lot of errors in it.  
 
Anyway, my own concern with the Cartesian dualism is that it makes no sense according to other Biblical teachings and how people actually perceive the world. What I mean here is that god is supposed to be omnipresent, this rather indicates a sort of pantheistic view and thus the idea of a seperation of the physical vs the nonphysical makes no sense since god is where, even in the physical.  
 
Also, a little farfetched to support my argument I also go into explaining that we still think of the soul as being able to communicate with us in the physical world even though the soul itself is nonphysical and has left its physical body. Therefore one would assume communication with the physical body would no longer be possible.  
 
Anyway, I think one could look a lot more into the idea of Cartesian dualism because I think it&#039;s obvious there are major holes in Descartes&#039; arguments of the dualistic world. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s funny you mention this Jorrizza, because I was partially touching the same topic in my own article which I will revamp because Waldheri made me realize it wasn&#039;t very cohesive and there were a lot of errors in it.  </p>
<p>Anyway, my own concern with the Cartesian dualism is that it makes no sense according to other Biblical teachings and how people actually perceive the world. What I mean here is that god is supposed to be omnipresent, this rather indicates a sort of pantheistic view and thus the idea of a seperation of the physical vs the nonphysical makes no sense since god is where, even in the physical.  </p>
<p>Also, a little farfetched to support my argument I also go into explaining that we still think of the soul as being able to communicate with us in the physical world even though the soul itself is nonphysical and has left its physical body. Therefore one would assume communication with the physical body would no longer be possible.  </p>
<p>Anyway, I think one could look a lot more into the idea of Cartesian dualism because I think it&#039;s obvious there are major holes in Descartes&#039; arguments of the dualistic world.</p>
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