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		<title>By: 999 SEO</title>
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		<dc:creator>999 SEO</dc:creator>
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		<description>Just come accross your blog on digg, whats your favorite social bookmark site?</description>
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		<title>By: nazani14</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we need to look at the economic life of the culture in which the bias against women arose.   Largely pastoral, with men who amassed larger herds able to acquire more wives or slave/concubines.  Quite a few of the Old Testament patriarchs were polygamous, and the constant raids that took place in the ancient Middle East would have further decreased the number of available women.  The Egyptians and Assyrians collected women from vanquished tribes, as did the Hebrews under David.   It was pretty hard for the ancient Hebrews to continue to exist as a people, which helps explain some of the OT laws.  Although it galls me to admit it, I do think that the customs that subjugate women may stem from the need to keep control over the &quot;breeding stock.&quot;  Anyway, men who had no chance of getting their own wife may have reframed celibacy as a positive, even holy thing. 
Suggested reading:  The Red Queen: Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature  by Matt Ridley </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need to look at the economic life of the culture in which the bias against women arose.   Largely pastoral, with men who amassed larger herds able to acquire more wives or slave/concubines.  Quite a few of the Old Testament patriarchs were polygamous, and the constant raids that took place in the ancient Middle East would have further decreased the number of available women.  The Egyptians and Assyrians collected women from vanquished tribes, as did the Hebrews under David.   It was pretty hard for the ancient Hebrews to continue to exist as a people, which helps explain some of the OT laws.  Although it galls me to admit it, I do think that the customs that subjugate women may stem from the need to keep control over the &quot;breeding stock.&quot;  Anyway, men who had no chance of getting their own wife may have reframed celibacy as a positive, even holy thing.<br />
Suggested reading:  The Red Queen: Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature  by Matt Ridley</p>
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		<title>By: LeaT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does NLP stand for? </description>
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		<title>By: John Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog. Do you know of any relevant NLP forums or discussion groups?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog. Do you know of any relevant NLP forums or discussion groups?</p>
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		<title>By: LeaT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that is correct Christine, and I wonder why there is such a focus on ownership and patrilinearity to begin with. The biggest concern for the man is ultimately, am I the father of the child? This could be explained in a more Darwininan way saying that it is to ensure that their genes will be carried on with their offspring, but it doesn&#039;t explain why people in the West (and parts of Asia) then would prefer having a system of monogamy instead of polygamy then? In a Darwinian view, the man would then, to ensure the biggest possibility that just HIS genes will survive to the next generation, need to have sex with as many women as possible, but this obviously doesn&#039;t fit with the view of only having one partner. It is an interesting question which I would love to look into more further but I doubt such a question belongs to ACP, unless I somehow can connect it to religion. That however, will be hard in such a sense that I don&#039;t think monogamy is only supported in Christianity but pre-Christianity as well. Vikings, Ancient Greeks too, had only one partner and if you didn&#039;t it was considered adultery towards your husband/wife.  
 
Even in such societies as feudal China/Japan, one wife/husband was preferred. If the partner was found out to commit adultery, the punishment could be severe depending a little on which social status he/she belonged to. If it was a lord or somesuch, he/she had the will to remarry, but if you had a low social status, you could be completely disbanded or even be forced to commit seppuku, particularly if you belonged to one of the samurai families. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that is correct Christine, and I wonder why there is such a focus on ownership and patrilinearity to begin with. The biggest concern for the man is ultimately, am I the father of the child? This could be explained in a more Darwininan way saying that it is to ensure that their genes will be carried on with their offspring, but it doesn&#039;t explain why people in the West (and parts of Asia) then would prefer having a system of monogamy instead of polygamy then? In a Darwinian view, the man would then, to ensure the biggest possibility that just HIS genes will survive to the next generation, need to have sex with as many women as possible, but this obviously doesn&#039;t fit with the view of only having one partner. It is an interesting question which I would love to look into more further but I doubt such a question belongs to ACP, unless I somehow can connect it to religion. That however, will be hard in such a sense that I don&#039;t think monogamy is only supported in Christianity but pre-Christianity as well. Vikings, Ancient Greeks too, had only one partner and if you didn&#039;t it was considered adultery towards your husband/wife.  </p>
<p>Even in such societies as feudal China/Japan, one wife/husband was preferred. If the partner was found out to commit adultery, the punishment could be severe depending a little on which social status he/she belonged to. If it was a lord or somesuch, he/she had the will to remarry, but if you had a low social status, you could be completely disbanded or even be forced to commit seppuku, particularly if you belonged to one of the samurai families.</p>
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		<title>By: LeaT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I think you got a point there, although circumcision at least on females also lead to physical complications later in life, albeit less for men. However, scientists now claim that the argument that male circiumcision would improve hygiene is void, particularly becaue the foreskin is there to protect the more sensitive part of the penis. This is also very true, and I see no reason why chimps or any other mammal would have issues with their sexual hygiene because they got a foreskin.  
 
It is also true that women in reality have control, but a control they seldom if never use. Coming back to the gypsies again, if a female would put the closest skirt to her body onto a male&#039;s head, he has to leave her immediately and wash himself, because he now has become unclean and tainted. Ultimately, the most striking question is, why do women consider themselves satisfied with their role of being inferior, when they obviously have means to change this actively? As a matter of fact, it is the WOMEN who uphold this power structure among themselves, not the men. This is very true for female circumcision as well, where the elderly women in the village (or society) will perform it on the girls, and same in societies where girls get married away where the MOTHER or any other close relative arranges the marriage, NOT the father or the man in the household. The man merely manages the economical part, but it is ultimately the mother who picks out the to-be-husband.  
 
There have been an argument for that women (and men accordingly) are considered more attractive by having a clear seperation between genders and gender roles. However, this in turn, merely stems from a sort of romanticism of the opposite sex, and question in reality whether this still would lead to say, better relationships.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think you got a point there, although circumcision at least on females also lead to physical complications later in life, albeit less for men. However, scientists now claim that the argument that male circiumcision would improve hygiene is void, particularly becaue the foreskin is there to protect the more sensitive part of the penis. This is also very true, and I see no reason why chimps or any other mammal would have issues with their sexual hygiene because they got a foreskin.  </p>
<p>It is also true that women in reality have control, but a control they seldom if never use. Coming back to the gypsies again, if a female would put the closest skirt to her body onto a male&#039;s head, he has to leave her immediately and wash himself, because he now has become unclean and tainted. Ultimately, the most striking question is, why do women consider themselves satisfied with their role of being inferior, when they obviously have means to change this actively? As a matter of fact, it is the WOMEN who uphold this power structure among themselves, not the men. This is very true for female circumcision as well, where the elderly women in the village (or society) will perform it on the girls, and same in societies where girls get married away where the MOTHER or any other close relative arranges the marriage, NOT the father or the man in the household. The man merely manages the economical part, but it is ultimately the mother who picks out the to-be-husband.  </p>
<p>There have been an argument for that women (and men accordingly) are considered more attractive by having a clear seperation between genders and gender roles. However, this in turn, merely stems from a sort of romanticism of the opposite sex, and question in reality whether this still would lead to say, better relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: jorrizza</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant the whole notion of purity and such. I think it&#039;s basically the same conservative utter nonsense as circumcision. It used to prevent all kinds of physical afflictions caused by bad hygiene. Washing women&#039;s clothing separately once a month isn&#039;t such a bad idea in a desert, really. 
 
You&#039;re completely right about female sexuality. I honestly can&#039;t think of any logical reason why anyone would demonize it. Maybe because they were afraid of the persuasive powers of free female sexuality. Usually women have an edge over men when it comes to persuading men into doing things against their will. Even Muslims use it (albeit indirectly) in their Jihad to persuade men into killing themselves. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant the whole notion of purity and such. I think it&#039;s basically the same conservative utter nonsense as circumcision. It used to prevent all kinds of physical afflictions caused by bad hygiene. Washing women&#039;s clothing separately once a month isn&#039;t such a bad idea in a desert, really. </p>
<p>You&#039;re completely right about female sexuality. I honestly can&#039;t think of any logical reason why anyone would demonize it. Maybe because they were afraid of the persuasive powers of free female sexuality. Usually women have an edge over men when it comes to persuading men into doing things against their will. Even Muslims use it (albeit indirectly) in their Jihad to persuade men into killing themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many good points made in this post.  My understanding regarding patriarchal societies vs pagan/matriarchal regards this:  In patriarchs, one can isolate a woman, through marriage/ownership/most fertile cycles and be more guaranteed to know who the Father of a child is, whereas in many pagan/matriarchal societies, the children are identified through the Mother, not the father.  I see many patriarchal societies being more concerned with male ownership claims on women and children than allowing women and their children to be independent of male ownership. 
 
Basically, christianity is based on a patriarchal system of keeping the tabs on who gets to fertilze the women.  If you don&#039;t force women into male ownership/marriage, how are you going to guarantee that the kids you are feeding are your own? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many good points made in this post.  My understanding regarding patriarchal societies vs pagan/matriarchal regards this:  In patriarchs, one can isolate a woman, through marriage/ownership/most fertile cycles and be more guaranteed to know who the Father of a child is, whereas in many pagan/matriarchal societies, the children are identified through the Mother, not the father.  I see many patriarchal societies being more concerned with male ownership claims on women and children than allowing women and their children to be independent of male ownership. </p>
<p>Basically, christianity is based on a patriarchal system of keeping the tabs on who gets to fertilze the women.  If you don&#039;t force women into male ownership/marriage, how are you going to guarantee that the kids you are feeding are your own?</p>
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		<title>By: LeaT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it is hard to not make it sound like a little feministic (the original idea by Delaney did as well) and since we are arguing from a woman&#039;s point of view after all... How can it not sound feministic, since it argues in the favor of women? Maybe I could try to back it up describing male sexuality but there isn&#039;t much to write about there. Somehow male sexuality is either just completely ignored, seen divine and thus justified or just less bad, but men at least have &quot;self control&quot; (quite ironically I guess it&#039;s rather the opposite). 
 
Hm, what sort of practices are you thinking of exactly? Certain sexual activities or? Delaney herself doesn&#039;t answer why women&#039;s sexuality is so demonized throughout reilgion though, but I guess it is a feasible theory that yes, some practices were copied and then got stuck.  
 
It is very evident in less secular religions that women are considered tainted as I described about gypsies and Muslims. Actually, the very reason a womans&#039; veil should be black is to show she is tainted, since white is the color of purity and thus, the color of god. They should also wear red belts when they are considered sexually active (read married).   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it is hard to not make it sound like a little feministic (the original idea by Delaney did as well) and since we are arguing from a woman&#039;s point of view after all&#8230; How can it not sound feministic, since it argues in the favor of women? Maybe I could try to back it up describing male sexuality but there isn&#039;t much to write about there. Somehow male sexuality is either just completely ignored, seen divine and thus justified or just less bad, but men at least have &quot;self control&quot; (quite ironically I guess it&#039;s rather the opposite). </p>
<p>Hm, what sort of practices are you thinking of exactly? Certain sexual activities or? Delaney herself doesn&#039;t answer why women&#039;s sexuality is so demonized throughout reilgion though, but I guess it is a feasible theory that yes, some practices were copied and then got stuck.  </p>
<p>It is very evident in less secular religions that women are considered tainted as I described about gypsies and Muslims. Actually, the very reason a womans&#039; veil should be black is to show she is tainted, since white is the color of purity and thus, the color of god. They should also wear red belts when they are considered sexually active (read married).</p>
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		<title>By: jorrizza</title>
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		<dc:creator>jorrizza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but sense a little feminism in your post ;) But in essence you&#039;ve hit the nail on the head. 
 
And couldn&#039;t it be that several &quot;unfriendly&quot; practices were logical once, to prevent disease for instance, but were just passed down through religion and conservative cultures into becoming what they are now; a bunch of silly unnecessary rituals? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#039;t help but sense a little feminism in your post <img src='http://www.antichristian-phenomenon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  But in essence you&#039;ve hit the nail on the head. </p>
<p>And couldn&#039;t it be that several &quot;unfriendly&quot; practices were logical once, to prevent disease for instance, but were just passed down through religion and conservative cultures into becoming what they are now; a bunch of silly unnecessary rituals?</p>
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