In an editorial column, guest columnist Byron R. McCane explored why the ‘new atheism’ in America has not taken off as people might have suspected. The important and famous new atheist books like The God Delusion (Dawkins), raman amplifierGod is Not Great (Hitchens) and Breaking the Spell (Dennett) have fallen from the charts, and no new new atheism books are out there at the moment. McCane thinks the new atheism failed because even though 15% of Americans are not religiously affiliated, they are still spiritual or ‘between religions’, as surveys have shown. He makes a few points that I would like to address.

First of all, McCane assumes that the goal of these new atheist books is to convince Americans to there is no God. As far as I’m concerned, only Dawkins’ book does that. Dawkins argues that there the idea that a God exists is not supported by evidence at all, and that therefore this belief is a delusion. Hitchens writes about religion and not god in particular; he argues that religion has bad influence on the world. Where he does mention God is mostly to criticize this God’s behaviour as being immoral (this is particularly true for the Old Testament God.) Dennett did not write about God at all in his book, and simply argued that religion should be studied in a scientific framework, as opposed to it being off-limits to science.

And even though Dawkins does argue against the existence of a supernatural creator, I think he is well aware he is no going to convince anybody who is firmly rooted in the belief that this being does exist. The title of his book suggests an entirely different audience – people who have serious doubts about this particular belief, or are already atheists but who have never examined this belief philosophically or scientifically. Or perhaps it was written to provide those closet atheists who live in a community of theists some ammunition to come out. Nor should one see Dawkins’ book merely as a reason why one should not believe in a god, but also why one would not believe in a god.

Secondly, McCane suggests the new atheism failed because Americans will not be swayed about religion by logic and science. He cites that a survey showed that only 2% of people say logic and science play a role in their choice of religion. He says Americans are pragmatic about their religion, as most go through a series of religious affiliations in a lifetime as spiritual seekers. There is a duality I feel about this percentage. Two important aspects about religion is that it provides a moral code and that it provides ideas about the universe. On one side, I think it is sad that only two percent of people care enough about logic, science and reason to use it in determining what religion offers the most accurate ideas about the universe. On the other side, I am glad that only two percent thinks their religion is supported by logic, science and reason, because I feel they often oppose these religious ideas.

More importantly, it is important to realize that you can’t convince somebody who doesn’t accept the epistemic value of logic (and indirectly, science) about anything. It is the same as talking to a brick wall. No argument and no fact bears any weight any more. There is a symmetry here with “us atheists” who are confronted by theists who will make claims based on their particular holy book. Because we do not accept these books as infallible, we must investigate those claims on more than their souce. The difference is that people who still use logic, have more to go on than the inerrant authority of whichever book or person. People who do not believe in an afterlife can not be scared into submission by threats of hell, and people who do not accept logic can not be persuaded by any argument, no matter how sound the argument is. In the mindset of those 98%, any book that disputes their particular religious beliefs is best ignored. No wonder it doesn’t work for them.

Thirdly the new atheism failure is said to be due to it being intolerant of religion, which clashes with the now widely held value of religious tolerance. I am willing to concede the point that the new atheism is perceived that way, but I dispute the fact that it is really as intolerant as people might think. Religion, like politics, is one of those subjects people have decided talking about during dinner is not done. Not only is it a subject that people might disagree over fervently without getting anywhere (remember the 98%), it is also considered sacred or holy. Vocal and written opposition to deeply held religious beliefs can easily be hurtful, especially when the conclusion to such opposition is that you are delusional. On the other hand, these conclusions were not reached as a goal to attack religious people. These are conclusions reached through arguments, and remembering the poll, only 2% of all religious people have reason to be offended by such conclusions in the first place.

The new atheism is more about bringing atheism out of the closet as an acceptable position, and to bring religion down from it’s uncritiqueable pedestal and into serious inquiry -  which is the only thing Dennett is arguing for. Toes will be stepped on, and people will be offended – not only by words as delusional, but by secular and atheist ideas in itself alone – but that should not stand in the way of intellectual discourse. In conclusion: I do not think the new atheism has failed at all.  By putting arguments for atheism and against religion out there, in it has helped making atheism and scepticism a valid position. The books are interesting in themselves for their ideas and arguments, and make up for a modern addition to a historical plethora of written material on the subject of religion.

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13 Responses to “Responding to The State: Has the ‘new atheism’ failed?”
  1. LeaT says:

    I never understood why people take religion so personally to begin with. Of all things that would be considered important to humans, religion should be at the bottom. I suppose the problem is that some people identify themselves too strongly with their religion, thus making it "too personal" than it ever should be.

  2. Angie Jackson says:

    I think that as new atheists and other secularists create a climate where non-belief is more acceptable (and less knee-jerk oppositional) more and more believers will start to question their faiths. I had to feel emotionally safe in exploring disbelief before any logical arguments could sway me at all (a former theist, current rampant anti-theist).

  3. Angie Jackson says:

    I think that as new atheists and other secularists create a climate where non-belief is more acceptable (and less knee-jerk oppositional) more and more believers will start to question their faiths. I had to feel emotionally safe in exploring disbelief before any logical arguments could sway me at all (a former theist, current rampant anti-theist).

  4. Jairo Mejia says:

    Unbelievers are right in most of their thinking

    You might be one of those who are abandoning Christianity; or one for whom religious beliefs are not just irrelevant, but baseless. You might be right, at least to some extent. Some traditional beliefs are not true, and the “God” of main line traditions simply does not exist. Most people don’t dare to confront their religious beliefs, opt for the status quo, or become marginalized.

    Bishop John Shelby Spong says that “Christianity Reformed From its Roots – A Life Centered in God” “rightly points out that those who seek to defend Christianity’s past are also killing Christianity’s future.” I accepted the challenge of finding the One who may be recognized even by Gnostics and atheists: the Existence! Eminent philosophers and thinkers might give you an idea if this book might be an insightful reading for you (links below). You may look also at excerpts at Amazon.com.

    Jairo Mejia, M. Psych., Santa Clara University
    Retired Episcopal Priest
    Carmel Valley, California

    http://www.mbay.net/~jmejia/Grudzen.htm
    http://www.mbay.net/~jmejia/Churcher.htm

  5. 7.62x54R 180Gr FMJ says:

    Oh noes! It seems you self-righteous assholes can't control everybody's minds! What a bummer.

  6. HardTruth says:

    I've been ripped by many atheists recently for calling atheism a religion. I just recently blogged on it at http://www.hardtruth.squarespace.com and I'm curious to know what you're opinion would be. I think yours may be different considering you seem proud (as you should be) of the fact that you were nominated for "Best Religion Blog."

    I'm not trying to start a fight, just curious about your thoughts.

  7. db0 says:

    This has been refuted again and again by atheists and it's actually very easy to find an answer most of us here would agree with <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=is+atheism+a+religion">by Googling. That said, the reason why we're on the "Best Religion Blog" is because we're generally writing on the subject of religion. If would have been better is the title was "Best (Ir)Religion Blog" but you can't have it all.

  8. LeaT says:

    Religion has pretty clear definitions, as follows:
    1. Has a set ideas of rules and/or laws found in…
    2. Scripture or a strong leader figure
    3. Includes rituals practiced by the followers
    4. Has a place of worship and/or practice
    5. All members must adhere to a basic idea of principles and/or ideology regarding the cosmos
    6. People identify themselves with said group
    7. Must have some kind of organization, formal or informal

    You will only find that point 5 fit atheists. That is, an atheist idea of cosmos is the lack of a god, but that's all. There is no scripture, no laws or dogma, no strong leader figure, no agreement over ethics and morals and it is certainly not organized in 99% of the cases.

    Hence, it cannot ever be considered a religion.

  9. Ares Vista says:

    Religion is used as a crutch. People are afraid of the unknown in this world, and religion gives them some answers that they believe they can count on. When this is questioned, they again begin to fear that they are living among the unknown, and so they defend their religious beliefs to the death, in order to keep their sanity.

  10. Chad S says:

    “I put no stock in religion. By the word, religion, I have seen the lunacy of fanatics from every denomination be called the will of God…I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers”

    -Hospitalier

    The existence of God cannot be disproven by simply pawning your position off on poor representation. All possibilities must remain as such until proven impossible.

  11. Waldheri says:

    This article has nothing to do with argument for or against the existence of (a) god(s). It is exactly what the title suggests: a reply to an article in The State, in which it was argued that the New Atheism has failed. In this article I have explained why I disagree.

  12. blinkx submitter says:

    ugh! having a hard time trying to read this. What font are you using?

  13. Caterers Fort Lauderdale says:

    I was at a wedding of my ex-boyfriend last month and I couldn’t help remembering how uncomfortable I felt that day. I find it very awkward attending his wedding. It was a good thing he was so accommodating that despite the difficult feeling I felt glad to be there for him.

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