The relationship between science and religion: Turfs of Aristotelian causality
Posted by: Waldheri in Philosophy, Religion, tags: aristotle, descartes, epistemology, Philosophy, Religion, Science, TheismAristotle was one of the first philosophers to really try and tackle the field of causality. In Metaphysics, Aristotle proposes four different causes. These are the causa materialis, the material cause; causa formalis, the formal cause; causa efficiens, the efficient cause and the causa finalis, the final cause. For this essay, it is not important to go into the first two. Also note that our current, every-day use of the word “cause” is only one of these four, namely the efficient cause, which denotes the agent that brings something about. If A necessarily leads to B, A is the efficient cause of B. The remaining cause which is of importance in this essay is the final cause, which denotes the purpose or intended end of a certain action. If A is a necessary step to achieve B, B is the final cause for A.
It may be apparent that these causes are different, yet related. The most important aspect is the directionality these causes imply. It is this directional property that I will be focusing on a lot. One could say that the efficient cause looks from the past towards the present, whereas the final cause looks from the present towards the future. You could say that the efficient cause is the answer to the question “how”, and that the final cause is the answer to the question “why”. Another important aspect in which these two causes are different is intentionality. In case of the efficient cause, no goal is necessarily implied, whereas in the case of the final cause there is. A conscious entity is required for a final cause, as actions result from being a necessary step towards a goal.
Having said that, I assume bells have already started ringing. This description of two particular Aristotelian categories of causality will remind many of how the relationship between science and religion is often perceived: science answers the “how” questions whilst religions answers the “why” questions. In other words: science provides efficient causes, whilst religion provides final causes. The way science provides these answers is through the scientific inquiry: a method applied to a domain in which causal homogeneity and methodological naturalism are assumed. Therefore we find a directionality from past to future in science, as well as an absence of intentionality. This is why God can never scientifically be said to be a cause of anything, because an agent with a mind does not necessarily behave the same way the next time (this is also why creationism is inherently unscientific). Science is constrained, but progressive; assuming that the accumulation of information is higher than the loss of data, and assuming that there are people with novel ideas once in a while, we can expect more accurate models of reality emerge from science over time. In other words: For more accuracy, look later in the scientific archives.
Religion is different; as it (though not exclusively) provides answers to questions concerning final causes. The idea that religion is closely connected to this category of cause are supported by often invoked sayings such as “God has a plan for us all” or “God works in mysterious ways”; but also by concepts of “the greater good” and “God’s will”. The intentions of a deity for the future are the most important factor for providing an answer to the “why” of the events that occur in the present. Therefore we find a directionality from future to present in religion, as well as a clear presence of intentionality. The method that religion uses for discerning the answers it provides are wholly contingent upon interpretation of the “revealed truths” contained within “sacred books”. This means there is no epistemological basis for answers stemming from religions: they are wholly contingent upon an assumption of authority. Unlike science, religion is not progressive, but static. The prevailing method for one who wants to analyse religious answers is to look at the original texts. The earliest manuscripts are more authoritative than later ones, because these might contain alterations introduced by scribes. In other words: For more accuracy, look earlier in the religious archives.
There is also something else going on, because religious answers do not have to be constrained. Ideas spawned from religion do not even have to be consistent with logic. Such examples are abundant in theistic religions. Take for example the position of Descartes about the omnipotence paradox (“Can God create a rock which He cannot lift?”): he posits that God has absolute omnipotence, being above logic and able to do even that which is logically self-contradictory. The other attributes the Abrahamic god is often accredited with also result in logical paradoxes. These are the coexistence of God’s omniscience and free will, and the problem of evil (the coexistence of God’s omnibenevolence and suffering). Luckily, not all theologians are as drunk on God as Descartes was. They acknowledge logic as a constraint on God, as well as on the answers religion provide. As such, there exists room for debate, which is wholly absent with those who side with Descartes.
One has to wonder, though: if God is constrained by logic, is he then not also constrained by the natural laws that humans discovered through the application of logic and the epistemological toolbox we call the scientific method? And if that is so, why not recognize the basis to religious answers is logically fallacious to start with? This is one of the important questions in examining the relationship between religion and science. Though both give answers to different Aristotelian causes in principle, religion often moves beyond it’s turf. This may be evident in religiously inspired pseudo-science, such as creationism; but also in writings by philosophers who drank the God poison. On the other hand, science has been conquering land from religion on the battlefield of ideas. Questions that were previously unanswerable by science were answered by religion. In the light of the ever-improving scientific models of reality, ancient religious doctrine is approaching the absurd. Where the constrained light of science does not shine, religion stands rooted in it’s usual method: mere guesswork.
The Antichristian Phenomenon



September 12th, 2009 at 11:08 am - Edit
This is sort of the conclusion I came up with as well, when I debunked Plato, although I didn't mention it. Because if it is true that god is not constrained outside our own perception of reality and we can communicate with god, then god must be a part of our reality or at least, we be a part of god's, hence, god is also constrained by our natural laws, logically. Since there is nothing that says god shouldn't if god is also a part of this universe, or at least related to.
Good read though, although I cannot in the world understand how religious people can just overlook all the logical contradictions.
September 12th, 2009 at 4:40 pm - Edit
A very well written article, good job!
The less closed minded Christian scholars, the ones who claim God's omnipotence is indeed limited by logic, are great opponents on the physics playing field. It's simply hilarious to watch them trip over thermodynamics or relativity. Too bad there aren't that many of them left. I guess most of them got enlightened.
January 17th, 2010 at 11:53 pm - Edit
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January 19th, 2010 at 12:12 am - Edit
It’s simply hilarious to watch them trip over thermodynamics or relativity.
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In much the same way that evolutionists trip over the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
January 19th, 2010 at 5:45 pm - Edit
You can split the hair as fine as you want but that doesn’t change the fact that the Law of Causality is a scientific necessity. Science could not exist if there was no Law of Causality. The majority of scientists agree that the Universe had a cause.The only question that remains is, who or what caused it?
The Anthropic Principle presents the fact that there are 122 constants that prove the universe was designed. The odds are 10138 that any other planet in the Universe could fulfill these constants and sustain human life. All scientists agree that this number equals zero chance. The Teleological Argument states that every design has a designer. The Anthropic Principle proves that the universe was designed.Therefore, the universe had a designer. If the universe was designed, and it cannot design itself, then what ever designed it had to be an eternal designer, (and something that is eternal needs no cause)..Atheists are searching frantically for a viable alternative. However, to date they have not come up with even a single clue. Until they can prove differently, it is without question that the universe was designed/created. For this reason, we know that a designer exists. To say otherwise is illogical and unreasonable, and is most certainly not based on scientific data, but on ones unwillingness to accept the idea of an eternal designer. It isn’t that there exists no evidence to the existence of a designer, but rather they do not want to accept the evidence. A cursory research of this fact will show that it is correct.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:33 pm - Edit
I don't buy your argument. Why? Because a cause does not necessarily lead to a designer. You are setting up a false dichonomy. There are many different opinions about what happened before big bang, such as the big bounce or the big crunch. I personally follow the big bounce theory. To say that there must be a designer because there must be a cause is illogical and unreasonable because you rule out all other just as optional alternatives. None of those options are more right or wrong than the others.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:40 pm - Edit
While you may think that this comment is an argument for your case, it is actually a case in point for what jorizza was saying. You don't understand the second law of thermodynamics, which is why you use it as an argument against evolution. It doesn't stack up.
Thanks for playing.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:02 pm - Edit
Chad, you may want to give credence to the people you copy-pasted this text from. In the future, please include more information in your blatant copying, for example the 122 constants, how those odds were derived, &c.
1. Even though science operates under a causa efficiens, there are things in science for which there is no apparent cause. Consider the sudden popping into existence of pairs of so-called virtual particles. We know they're there as evidenced by the Casimir effect, but we don't know really what causes them to jump into existence – there seems no cause at all – in fact, it seems rather random and left to chance, just like a lot of other things in quantum mechanics. The "law of causality" is bogus.
2. You don't understand the anthropic principle. When correctly applied, it is a tool qualitatively analysing statements by taking into account our existence. If some model of reality excludes our existence, then that model is wrong. Of course our universe allows for human life – otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion! If we lived in a universe that had constants that didn't allow life and yet we would still be here, that would be something to break our heads over. The anthropic principle is like a necessary marker on our map (model) of the territory (reality). We can also use other markers – for example the flu virus marker. In any map, we must be sure to include a marker for the flu virus. The anthropic principle does not in any way prove that the universe was designed, because we can use a shitload of markers that we know must be on the map. Did the creator have humans in mind, but did that also mean to allow for flu viruses; or did the creator have viruses in mind, with the side effect that humans would arise also? Which do we decide is the important one to determine the causa finalis of the universe? I argue that there is no way to determine this, hence it is a senseless and also unscientific question.
3. It doesn't matter that the universe seems fine-tuned to us. Pick a random integer from 1 to 10. The number you have picked is not special. It had a chance of being picked of 1/10. Similarly, the universe's constants could have been anything. This combination of constants is in no way statistically more significant than any other combination. It is like winning the lottery and saying "the teleological purpose of the lottery was for me to win it!" It's just silly.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:07 pm - Edit
I love it when people like yourself make ridiculous assumptions such as your opening statement. First – contrary to your accusation, I didn't copy and paste anything…Albeit I did borrow from a few books that I've read. Perhaps it is YOU who should give credence to those you copied and pasted from.
Depending on your view point, Virtual particles may or may not fall under the law of causality. Take for example, Heisenberg's principle. Something can arise from nothing IF it returns to nothing after a very short period, an interval too small to be measured….I'll admit thats about as much as I know on this matter though. Therefore I concede that you do make a valid counterpoint here.
And yes, I do understand the anthropic principle, but you're arguing the fact that theres no scientific way to DETERMINE the cause….All the while overlooking the obvious…"There is in fact A CAUSE", and not an accidental or random occerence. I said nothing about determing anything…Its like arguing against your own existence because you cant DETERMINE how you got here. Nevermind the fact that your presence is in fact the result of a cause.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:20 pm - Edit
"you're arguing the fact that theres no scientific way to DETERMINE the cause….All the while overlooking the obvious…"There is in fact A CAUSE", and not an accidental or random occerence."
Says who?
An accidental or random occurrence can BE a cause. "Cause" does not necessarily imply intelligence, simply action.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:03 pm - Edit
Ok, so what logic do you subscribe to that leads to the belief in the big bounce?
You said – "To say that there must be a designer because there must be a cause is illogical and unreasonable because you rule out all other just as optional alternatives"
It doesnt rule out anything…In science, conclusions are drawn based on the greater amount of evidence. If more evidence is found to support "optional alternatives", then whatever they are will be accepted.
And no, design is not contrary to all the evidence we have so far discovered about the universe..In fact, it pretty much falls right in line with it. It is those in the secular who refuse to accept it based on a predisposed bias to natural materialism.
Speaking of logical fallacies….Most anyone would agree that the evidence for design FAR outweighs ANY evidence for big bounce.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:06 pm - Edit
I caught that too, after I posted my reply…Its been a long day. You are 100% correct…Wald…I retract that portion of my reply.